Did I cover everything in my abortion debate so far? Let me know if I’m missing an argument…?

Question

to me all the pro-choice arguments are weak. ill state the pro-choice theory then my argument against it...

"its just a zygote, no more then cancer cells, not a human":
well actually its a human zygote. there are 46 chromosomes that make us human and the second the sperm and egg are combined the 'zygote' has those exact 46 chromes that make us human.

“It’s the womans’ body, not the governments”:
well if you followed my above statement that the 46 chromosomes that makes that little bugger in your tummy a human, killing it not in self defense or fear of your life means you killed a human being for no reason which is murder. I do believe the gov’t gets a say in murder don’t they? (rhetorical question, don’t bother)

"why should a person thats raped or subjected to incest have to have a child":
several reasons against this one...
1) only about 1% of real rape victims get pregnant(i say real rape bc in states where you can only get an abortion bc of rape all you have to do is say it was rape and no one investigates the rape, they just sign a paper and off to the butcher you go)
2) only about another 6% get pregnant thru incest
3) adoption
4) for those that say adoption is a fluke - If from the very beginning of pregnancy you contact an agency your child will be adopted. there are people on waiting lists for as long as five years that wait for a woman thats pregnant and will have the baby so it can be adopted. The adoptive parents will often pay for your housing, food, and doctors visits as well.

Age.. "would you put a 12 or 14 year old girl thru this?":
yes. women have menstruations as an effect of puberty for a reason, its their body telling them that they can bare children. if the body couldn't handle it she wouldn't have gotten her period yet. And of course the adoption argument from above.

no money to have the child:
single women can get welfare if they have a child, not to mention that almost all pro-life organizations have money from charities that will help single mothers. and lets not for get the adoption argument from above.


If some one could give me examples on what health issues would cause the death of the mother I will happily research it and add on. Other then that, let me know if I missed something (I‘m trying not to use god as it is a debate about the government involvement and church and state are suppose to be separate).

Emotions don't count or the women getting abortions wouldn't be getting abortions after they see ultrasounds of children moving away from the needles or struggling to survive after the doctor uses that salt solution.

"Three things make us human persons: the ability to think, a moral sense, and our physical appearance. The zygote exhibits none of these"."

So your saying that 'people' like Hittler were not human because he had no morals?

Bush isn't human because(acording to some people) he lacks common thinking abilities

Thats the same as walking into a mental ward or a brain tramma unit and saying yor gonna kick anyone that can't count to 10 anymore or thinks its morally right to kill themselves or others out of the hospital because they are no longer 'human'.

Answer 1

Here is the problem w/ your trying to keep "god" out of the debate:

All laws are based on moral codes.

All moral codes are based on one or more religious beliefs.

And, all religious beliefs have some teaching about God (or lack of God).

Therefore, any discussion of morality does go quickly to a discussion of religion and God.

Personally, once I decided that the "zygote" was a real human being, then the rest of the discussion fell into place for me.

However, if I allow "rape and incest" to be valid exemptions, then I can't think of a way that we can prove those accusations that allow for an abortion anytime before the baby is born. Therefore, I can't allow rape / incest as an exemption if I remain true to my conclusion.

Answer 2

Just very quickly to rebut the "its a human zygote".

"Most reject the belief that the presence of a unique DNA code converts the egg into a human person. They note that a skin scraping of a child or adult contains a very large number of living, single cells; each has the same unique human DNA code as does the human from which it came. Scottish scientists removed a cell from the mammary tissue of a sheep, inject it into a sheep ovum whose DNA has been removed, and produce "Dolly," a cloned sheep who is genetically identical to her "parent." This same procedure has been replicated for many other mammals. A sample from a human skin scraping, or from a swab of the inside of the mouth, or a hair follicle contains the same type of human DNA information as does a zygote. They presumably should both be given the same status. Skeptics might argue that since we don't consider a hair follicle, etc. to be a human person, we should not look upon zygotes as persons either.

Some pro-choicers note that a zygote has no limbs; no head; no brain; no ability to see, hear, smell, taste or touch; no internal organs, no self-consciousness, no ability to think, reason, sense its environment, etc. Even at the age of one month, a human embryo cannot be distinguished from the embryo of a cat or dog. Three things make us human persons: the ability to think, a moral sense, and our physical appearance. The zygote exhibits none of these".

I got this information very quickly over the net, but it points out as to why many do not see it as murder. Unfortunately, this is a very complicated question and is not as simple as some like to make it.

EDIT:
Nope sorry, definition of moral sense:

"Motivation deriving logically from ethical or moral principles that govern a person's thoughts and actions". Hitlers actions were derived from his moral sense, it takes a little bit deeper thinking here, not "morality" or lack there of, but, his own personal "moral sense".

Answer 3

I have to agree with you 100% on all of these. I am completely pro-life!! My step daughter was raped back in August. She is pregnant because of that rape. She isn't killing the baby, because she knows it's a human being and the rape wasn't the baby's fault. She's coming to terms slowly with the rape and being able to talk about it a little more each day. She doesn't blame the baby. I think it's a human life from the moment of conception. Yes, everyone has their right to their own opinion and that's just mine!!

Answer 4

I've not read it all (i will, and i'll edit) but I just noticed this and wanted to say asap, medical people are confused as to why so many children are starting puberty so early. Some ideas are that it is from hormones in our food and drink etc. So girls are in fact starting puberty TOO early. Their body is being fooled into thinking it is ready when it is not.

You are also ignoring the part where a girl is emotionally ready and experienced enough in life to have a child. That is what most people mean when they say someone is too young to have a child.

The "zygote" part makes no sense.
I don't understand your lack of punctuation and spelling. What exactly is this for because they won't take it seriously if you turn it in like that

Answer 5

Keep preachin' sister...God is with you, so who can be against you?

These people don't listen...they are much to self absorbed to consider you, let alone their unborn baby.