How can you deny something you can't define?

Question

We make judgments through comparative thinking. First we perceive information through our senses, then we conceive it by cross referencing it to previously existing information (everything you've learned from birth to the present moment). This brings me to my point... the information the human brain is able to perceive/conceive may only be a small fraction of the information which exists. The known universe and the physics we've concluded it's based on may only be part of a much larger form of physics which the human brain can't compute due to the difference in information type. Thus, it makes no sense to conclude with 100% certainty that anything exists or doesn't exist. This is why both theism and atheism are obsolete ideas and agnosticism (nihilism, specifically) is the only logical "belief" system. Agreed? Doesn't matter if you agree though, because nothing anybody says matters, since our minds are faulty to the point of total dysfunction.

Answer 1

I agree with everything you have said here and let me congratulate you for a clear and unbiased thinking process.

Indeed this is why 'Nothing is impossible' is such a great statement ...... it does not mean we can achieve everything (which is a big sweet lie)..... it just means that we can not deny anything with absolute certainty because neither we know everything nor whatever little we know is any absolute knowledge!

Answer 2

Beginning with a minor issue: if our minds were faulty to the point of total dysfunction, we cannot even be certain that if our minds were really faulty. I do not disagree with the idea that there are times we cannot say something exists or does not exist with 100% certainty; but I do not also agree with the idea that 100% certainty is the only way to know if anything exists at all. Perhaps our judgments may not be based on anything 100%, but our faculty of thinking can enable us to conclude something with certainty. I.e. you may not agree that you are actually looking at the computer screan instead of sleeping in bed and dreaming; yet, one thing you cannot disagree is that you are perceiving things the way you perceive. I think that's something certain.

I do not know if belief system can be logical in anyway (but I am not saying belief system is illogical either). At least I can say the explanation of how the belief system works may be explained in terms of logic, but the belief itself has nothing to do with logic. For example, the statement of GOD EXISTS. This statement is either true or false, and never the both. A simple understanding in Logic can tell that much. Theist would say GOD EXISTS is true, and Atheist would say that is not the case. In either case, they take their position as true and self evidently true. In other words, GOD EXISTS or GOD DOES NOT EXIST is an axiomatic by nature. To put it simply, if somehing is axiomatic, demanding a logical proof or it is by definition of axiom, it is impossible. If fact, demanding a proof for it is, to some extent, unfair.

Because logic demonstrates that it is either god exists or god does not exist; and there is nothing inbetween existing and not existing, Agnosticism is not exactly a strong position. Quite frequently, those who say they are agnostics are really the atheists being indenial of their atheism.

Back to your main question: how can you deny something you can't define? When you say, you define or you cannot define, that is there is something that is to be defined or something that cannot be defined. In other words, definition and things to be defined are not the same things. Denial is a state of mind in which you reject status of existence of that something to be defined. In certain circumstances, perhaps it is possible to deny something you cannot define. For example, atheism is a good example. Quite often they cannot define 'God.' But I think, God is an entity to define seems to deal with two different realms: realm in which humans live and another realm. Or I should say Transcendental Reality. I think there are more rooms to explore.

But ordinarily, without going into transcendental stuff, I should say that denying something you cannot even define is not possible. To deny something requires the knowledge of that particular something and such a knowledge seems to constitute a basis for a definition.

Answer 3

Okay, you almost had enough soap to fill your soapbox, but like most people you dont know the difference between asking a question and getting on a soapbox. This isnt the Benny Hinn television hour.
To answer your question, we as idividuals can most definitvely deny, refuse, rebuke, ignore, or simply choose not to partake of anything without it actually being thoroughly processed. It is called free will. You cant buy it, you cant earn it, and no one can take it away. This is one of many reasons that the Muslim community dispises the western world so much. They are convinced that free will, is evil! Now, who is dysfunctional? This mind isn't, however yours seems relatively unstable to me. Okay this is for the atheist above me. Proof that GOD exists, Look at the survival of the JEWS. Throughout history they have been persecuted and distroyed, yet never to the point of extinction. That and nature should be enough to convince you.

Answer 4

i'll admit that many religious fanatics insist that they are right, and are 100% certain. they may even self destruct if they were ever proven wrong. however, with all that we don't know, a human being needs to make deductions everyday. so personally, based on the little knowledge we have at our disposal, i believe that god doesn't exist. but i am willing to be proven wrong with further evidence. but i won't spend my life being an empiricist. there is too much to lose by not extending your thought processes further than what you can see.

Answer 5

It's called "contempt prior to investigation." Of course we can deny what we can't define. Same as the belief that one person can't move a mountain. Fact is that one person can. "Whatever the mind can conceive and believe- it can achieve."

Answer 6

It's called "prejudice"...... We come to a conclusion of what it is we perceive, but having no definition of what "it" is, we have already ascertained its meaning and purpose.... .such is prejudice.


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Answer 7

You just made no sense.
Congratulations.
Your assumptions must be false.

Answer 8

you can deny anything , it doesn't have to make sense .