If the Iraq war is not cannot be won militarily, and US troops are trained to win wars?

Question

what is the point of keeping US troops there?

Even Rumsfeld and Kissinger have said there is no military victory possible

Answer 1

None.

The Troops have not failed. The politicians have. They gave the troops 3 objectives. 1, K.O the Iraqi army. 2.Overthrow Saddam.
3. Search out WMDs.

They did all 3 well and effectively. So well that they found there were no wmds. And thanks to a political cock up too well in point 1, since they disarmed and disbanded the army, and left the country with no security force save that of an occupying power. This was a mistake that even the Nazis failed to make. When they took over a country, they used existing civil structures and police to exert control. After ww2, the Japanese army in Vietnam, was rearmed and served with distiction under British command to restore order (until the US got involved and backed the viet kong)

Basically. the US and to a lesser extent the UK have ****** up royally, and its difficult, if not impossible to turn back the clock. Iraq is a bloodbath for the Iraqiis, and our continued presence isnt helping much. Britain has had experience in keeping a lid on a civil war, in Northern Ireland. But that was a province, not a huge nation, and less people died there in 30 years than die every month in Iraq.

I believe GWB has said previously (on terrorism) that if youre not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. In Iraq, we are now NOT part of the solution, to either the Iraqiis or terrorism.

I'll leave the rest to your own judgement.

Answer 2

I will not labor the point of the term "military victory" here..

Let's just say this, faced with even superior numbers in a ground conflict with any nation on this planet, the American Army would be a very tough opponent and would likely win. We have the best trained troops overall and the finest equipment known to mankind. Our technology and our resourcefulness are second-to-none.

That being said.... this is a 'conflict' of a much smaller proportion covering a land mass requiring large amounts of personnel to cover and control the logistical networks here.

The bad guys, either cowards who disregard the teaching of Allah and the Koran or their lesser pawns, have one supreme advantage. They can usually decide the location of the battlefield. This is huge, and they know it.

The real problem lies with two facets of American culture; the 'free press' and the present political system. the bad guys know that they can influence the vote simply by doing certain things. some of them likely grew up in America secretly hating it and wanting only to 'get what they could' so they could in turn use it against us.

The press here is often terrified to leave the safety of their compounds and therefore sends out news stories that they did not cover themselves.

The politicians want what ever politician wants..... another sweet term in office, and so flings *poo* at their rivals. they SAY they will make sweeping changes, but in reality they will be powerless to do much without sacrificing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives were we to pull out.

Most of us do not like it here, most of us would bugout given the chance.... but most of us also realize what would happen would make the Fall of Vietnam look like a kindergarten play in comparison. These radical fundamentalists would do exactly what Iran and Vietnam did after the overthrow of the former government was accomplished....

They would kill everyone in a frenzy of bloodletting that even Serbia would have winced at.

Answer 3

The US powers real agenda must be something different than winning in Iraq as in creating a democratic friendly power (excuse me while laugh my face off). Perhaps they want to destabilize the region, or can put in place some kind of infrastructure to keep the oil flowing straight into their greedy hands. Perhaps they really are religious nutters determined to either reclaim or desimate the Holy Land.

Who knows how their minds work. They are already amazingly powerful compared to drones like us, so what are their aims in life. Perhaps Bush really is a spastic and really in control and he wanted a war, his name in the history books.

Answer 4

us troops are trained to follow orders we have a volunteer military and these troops choose to do the job. they love their country and put their life on the line to do whatever it takes
the problem lies with "those in charge"
the politicians that place them there are at fault
not the military our men in the armed forces
are told what to do. and do it well
if they let loose the dogs of war and set them free of the leash we will clean Iraq's house
no one has seen our true might sense WWII2
the leash has been kept short.
i pity Anny nation that tempts fate
if that leash were ever untethered again
Korea Nam panama Grenada all were tight leashed
if they let the military do what they are trained to do and told win this one do what you have to
nothing would leave alive but our men

Answer 5

once you think approximately that many human beings think of all Iraqis are comfortably terrorists and consequently have no sympathy for them. now no longer all human beings positively, yet an remarkable minority. i'm going to in no way dismiss the sinking feeling I felt in the 90s whilst those scud missiles have been embarked on Iraq and whilst they released i might marvel the place they could land and how many undesirable harmless people were approximately to die. i could under no situations watch those computing device snap photos the placement you will locate them aiming at aims the two. i understand lots of them as we communicate targetted the enemy - inspite of the undeniable fact that it appeared too very similar to a computing device activity - different than with genuine females and adult males human beings. Made me sense ill. Edit: There you are going to be - the guy above me has proved my element. Many human beings do no longer make a distinction between "civilian" and "terrorist". in lots of cases it quite is now no longer their fault - it quite is what their media tell them. as a results of undeniable fact that a million/2 of u . s . a . voters do no longer even very own a passport, or have ever travelled distant places - they quite do no longer understand very plenty relating to something of the sector.

Answer 6

The winner for "Best Documentary" at the Tribecca Film Festival was made by soldiers that are serving in Iraq at the present moment. To quote a line from the film......................
"Giving Iraqis freedom and security is the last thing on our to do list, the first and foremost is the protection of Halliburton projects."

But lets not just stop there. General Smedley Butler - 2 time winner of the Medal of Honor was quoted in his book "War is a Rackett"...
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested."
You ask, what is the point of keeping US Troops there?
To help corporate America increase profits of their shareholders.

Answer 7

Bush is in control, that's the point, and no other points will be tolerated. Anything different would be an admission that our great President was wrong, wrong, wrong and that is never going to happen. He would rather have world war three erupt in the middle-east than concede he was wrong. Being arrogant and stupid is a very deadly combination, as we are witnessing.

Answer 8

History has taught that no outsider can conquer and stay for long in another Country. Iraq is no exception. U.S. had done a big Historical blunder. There is no point in keeping US troops there.

Answer 9

Ridiculous. That's like saying if you're arm cannot be saved then why keep applying a tourniquet?

Besides, I disagree that Iraq cannot be won militarily. Iraq cannot be won politically. It most certainly can be won militarily.

(The real problem is that western civilization has become so feminine that it can't win wars anymore)

-Aztec276

Answer 10

We did win the war we went in to over throw Saddam and that is what our brave soldiers did ,we are not in there to capture the country . So LONG may the Britt's and yanks work together without the interference of the French and Germans , who if you remember also lost wars .