Operation Iraqi freedom? 9-11? and Operation Enduring freedom?

Question

I have been disgusted with many people lately. It seems that within the last year or two people have forgotten why we are continuing to battle in the middle east. Here are the opposing arguments; It's for oil and we are being fed government propaganda from George W. himself. And the opposition with "Have we lost our patriotic spirit?" We are freeing a country from fear of a cruel dictator."

Being from a military family, I tend to stand by the more patriotic position apposed to the contradicting more liberal stance. I also served in OIF and OEF a few years back. The purpose of my question is to see what people can use to argue their facts and the winner will have the most resources to support their facts with reasoning. I'm really looking for sources of information supporting my opposing argument for patriotism.

So I have actually seem a few good arguments but they were deleted. I have to disagree with some of you questioning Bush's rationale as much of an idiot he can make of himself his association between 9-11 and al queda was in fact sound reasoning, I merit many of you for your attempt but it was there. Also, the reason with the association between of alqueda and Sadam was clear between him hiding and aiding Bin laden's family out of Afgan. While our search in Operation Enduring freedom of Bin Laden, Sadam was aiding in the evacuation of LAdens family. I can't tell you what I have but I can say it is true that his family was in Iraq while we were on our search, when our Intel discovered this we began were watching via "eye in the sky" and Spec ops to only to find "WMD's" Which I have no idea of but I know we found large lead boxes there which are only used to transport Uranium and labs supporting the materials to make WMD's.

Answer 1

Regardless if you agree with the invasion or not, we freed them from a dictator where now they shouldn't fear for their lives. How would you feel to live in a place where if you spoke out against the government you would lose your life? We are doing our best to give the Iraqis what they deserve. But sadly there are those radical people who oppose us and democracy and will do everything in their power to prevent a democracy from forming in their home turf, even if that means taking their own life.

But this war goes much deeper than just a war to free Iraqis from a dictator. We are fighting extremists who want to kill America, Israel, and Christianity. I feel if we do not try and stop these nutcases now that they will only grow stronger and attack us eventually. This would be inevitable if we pulled out of Iraq.

Always support your troops even if you disagree with what they are commanded to do. No reason to attack them for something they have no control over.

Answer 2

Well number one, any opposing opinion regarding our current military endeavors would never be an argument against patriotism.

Operation Iraqi Freedom is a conflict prepared for this country long before 9/11. The Bush Administration has diluted the effort in Afghanistan in order to depose Saddam Hussein. George W. proclaimed Mission Accomplished, because that was the mission, remove Saddam and it was achieved. That was the only plan those folks had...plain and simple.

Really, I think it's time our military folks started asking harder questions of the men & women who send them into harm's way for purposes other than our national security.

Ultimately, I personally couldn't care less if the Iraqi's were ruled by Saddam or Al-Sadr. History will show that these people will always choose their own peculiar brand of politica/religious enslavement.

And I don't think another American life should be lost on these people.

The last time I looked Iraqis were not Americans...I reserve my patriotism for America and its citizens. The rest of the world can pound sand.

Answer 3

Never will I forget that this was a terrible crime. Worst of all is that anyone who questions the validity of the official government report on 9/11 is considered a nut. The saddest fact is that around the world we are all being led a merry dance by these politicians and their big business masters who all chase the global profit. People are just people no matter what country they are from yet these idiots who we elect are stealing not just money from us but they are erasing our identity and morality.

Answer 4

How is it more patriotic to support a stupid idea doomed to failure that has only weakened America’s military, economy, and international reputation, while making our enemies more numerous, powerful, and popular. Not a single non-partisan Middle East expert in the world (including Colin Powell and Bush’s own father) gave the Iraq invasion plan any chance of success, recognizing that the most likely outcome would be a civil war.

We have not freed or helped anyone. Most Iraqis feel that life was better and more secure under Saddam; most Iraqis believe that it is acceptable to attack and kill American soldiers, and; most Iraqis want America out of their country.

Invading Iraq was illegal, immoral, and stupid. That is not my definition of patriotic.

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According the Republican Congress’ 9/11 and pre-war intelligence reports:

1. There were no WMDs.
2. There were NO terrorists in Iraq before Bush invaded
3. There was NO connection between Iraq and OBL, AQ, or any terrorist organization.
4. Hussein DID NOT allow training camps.
5. Hussein hated AQ before we did.
6. Hussein DID NOT hide al-Zargawi - he tried to have him arrested

Answer 5

Your show of patriotism is commendable, but do not think that anyone who questions Bush and his politics are any less patriotic! If we remember 9-11, we were attacked by 19 terrorists who hijacked planes and killed thousands of our people. The plans for those attacks were from Osama Bin Ladin, a Saudi citizen. Most of the terrorists were Saudis. Nothing, not one shred of evidence linked these attacks to Saddam Husein or Iraq - Not one shred! George Bush used terrorism, and the now false information that he had "weapons of mass destruction" to invade Iraq. Saddam was a threat only to his own people - not to the U.S. Bush wanted to go to war with Saddam for one reason - to get Saddam back for his alleged attempt to assassinate his father, George Bush, Sr. Going to war in Afghanistan was the right thing to do because we were going after Osama Bin Ladin, but then the focus shifted to Iraq, and that war has made the U.S. and the world less safe. Terrorists have been motivated by this war and they have become more organized as a result. Bush has lost focus of 9-11 as have most of the Republicans, and that loss of focus has not brought to justice the architect of those unforgettable attacks of 9/11/2001!

Answer 6

this is not about the military. I'm a liberal opposed to this crazy war in Iraq, but it is not the military's fault. They go where they are ordered by the president, simple as that.

It is the President that has failed the military. Brave Americans volunteer to serve with the understanding that the president will not put them in harms way unless absolutely necessary. This was not the case in Iraq. Our safety, freedom, or security were not in ANY danger. Bush has squandered the lived of thousands of men and women (who are true heroes) on this misadventure so he could be a war president.

It is shameful, but the shame belongs not to the men and women who serve, but to the president alone.

Answer 7

I have been disgusted with many people lately too. It deeply saddens me how are country has so divided itself by way of rumors, party bickering, and accusations of all sorts about world affairs. It is just best to listen to President Bush very carefully and listen so well that you are not judging him as he talks. He is a strong leader with an immense global crisis, but not because of his own doing. If we had never invaded Iraq, do you really think that America would be free of hostile global politics. Do you think if we had a different, maybe Democratic president the past 4 years, that terrorists would just be hanging out in the Middle East playing cowboy and Indian in their little harmless terrorist training camps?

Answer 8

Why has our country been split down the middle by all of this stupid "liberal-neocon" talk. It's just stupid. We are all human beings. We all have things that we're conservative about and liberal about but to just label someone and stereotype them is stupid and it all got started with the politicians' "spinsters". Everyone is just spitting out that venom and they're sounding like those same politicians. Be open minded and listen a little...even if it's someone you consider liberal/conservative. It's doesn't make you dumb if your liberal/conservative but to just repeat everything you hear your politicians say makes you dumb. Come up with some ideas of your own based on facts and open youir eyes a little. Please!!

Answer 9

Only weeks after 9/11, the Bush administration set up a secret Pentagon unit to create the case for invading Iraq. Here is the inside story for how they pushed disinformation and bogus intelligence and led the nation to war.
IT'S A CRISP FALL DAY IN WESTERN VIRGINIA, a hundred miles from Washington, D.C., and a breeze is rustling the red and gold leaves of the Shenandoah hills. On the weather-beaten wood porch of a ramshackle 90-year-old farmhouse, at the end of a winding dirt-and-gravel road, Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski is perched on a plastic chair, wearing shorts, a purple sweatshirt, and muddy sneakers. Two scrawny dogs and a lone cat are on the prowl, and tne air is filled with swarms

So far, she says, no investigators have come knocking. Not from the Central Intelligence Agency, which conducted an internal inquiry into intelligence on Iraq, not from the congressional intelligence committees, not from the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. All of those bodies are ostensibly looking into the Bush administration's prewar Iraq intelligence, amid charges that the White House and the Pentagon exaggerated, distorted, or just plain lied about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda terrorists and its possession of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. In her hands, Kwiatkowski holds several pieces of the puzzle. Yet she, along with a score of other career officers recently retired or shuffled off to other jobs, has not been approached by anyone.

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence-it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials-including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February-that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war.

Answer 10

It is not patriotic to support a president who has let down our nation. He has taken all the unity we felt after 9-11 and wasted it on a war without justification.

You ask us to supply evidence for our arguments - where is your evidence for the Laden family hiding Saddam and for the "lead boxes"? I never read about those before your post, please supply a reference.

I do also blame congress for this war, they were too ready to believe the statements of this guy; I did not believe that he was giving us all the truth from the get-go and I was right. They completely abrogated their responsibility to investigate presidential actions, to provide checks and balances to what he decides to do. They were supposed to look out for our interests and they failed us.