Youre hearing stories about how they want to sumhow reduce the amount of the bid they made to the japanese team to offset what theyll haveta pay the pitcher.... can they do that? it doesnt seem very fair to everyone else who bid, if they can just all of a sudden reduce how much theyre paying. I think it would be hilarious if it turned out they just did all this to block other teams from getting him.
2006-11-28
17:47:50
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I also read that Luchinno is in Japan and theres stuff about him trying to get the Seibu Lions, Matsuzaka's old team to Help the Red Sox pay sum of his salary with the Red Sox... i mean, if they couldnt afford him, which i refuse to believe with all the money boston has, but if they couldnt, theyre going to look like idiots to got thru all this simply to keep him away fromt he Yankees.
2006-11-28
18:15:31 ·
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Miamiman below... nooooo, its not fair and it is actually illegal and against the rules MLB has set forth for dealing with japanese players.. thats why the Red sox are denying denying lol. they bid is the bid, and you cannot ask the team you are paying the bidding price to to offset the players salary... Lucchino seems to be trying to pull sum slick Sh*t
2006-11-28
18:18:24 ·
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My only question is, if this was just about keeping a good pitcher AWAY from the yankees with a ridiculous 51 million dollar offer, and they had no intention of ever signing him...doesnt this shoot to hell any chance Boston has of signing any other top tier Japanese free agent that might come out in the years ahead if theyre screwing with the Seibu Team and Japans top Pitcher? why would any other team ever want to deal with Boston again..they should just bite the bullet and sign the guy
2006-11-29
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Warren_
YOu sound like what you are, an annoying Red sox fan. If the yankees ahd done sumthing as stupid as offer 51 million to talk to a guy whose never even pitched in MLB before...ild have been upset... dont hate because it seems like yer owner is a cheap bastard all of a sudden LOL. 100 million for a pitcher who has never thrown a bal in majors...I remember when the Yankees got a cant miss best pitcher in Japan... Hideki Irabu, remember him? ....enjoy peanut lol
2006-11-29
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Libralove, i was actually about to click yers as the best answer till i got to the end of yer lil paragraph, screw you..im not knocking anyone, including the red sox.. i just dont get why they just dont sign the guy.. stop trying to get around that 51 million.. i mean, they made the bid, PAY IT! and sign the guy, he is supposed to be an Ace, so just stop trying to screw around and sign him.
2006-11-29
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I have not heard that they are trying to reduce the amount of the bid. I don't think they can do that. They bid what they bid, and it was greater than all the other teams who did also. Seibu accepted the bid for $51 million, so that's how it has to stay. I wouldn't put it past Lucchino though, if they did try to lower the amount Boston bid. Part of the reason they couldn't get A-Rod from Texas three years ago, was because not only did they want A-Rod, they wanted Texas to take Manny Ramirez and his huge contract (he had about $100 million left on it at the time), and also pay part of A-Rod's. I remember a writer saying that Lucchino not only has to make a deal, but that he also feels like he has to "win". He has to get the best of any deal. If he tries that here, Matsuzaka (sp?) will be back in Japan next year. I laughed when I read Boston made a "fair" offer. They are trying to low-ball this guy. Buster Olney said it's win-win for Boston. They can sign him and make their staff better, or they cannot sign him and keep him away from the Yankees for another year.
Also, Matsuzaka will not be very well received by the fans in Japan if he does go back next year, as fans will view him as wanting to leave Japan, not wanting to play there. I'm sure Boston is trying to use that as leverage too.
2006-11-28 18:12:05
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answered by Jeffrey S 6
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I think a lot of what has been going on is the result of poor understanding of the bidding process.
Many people were speculating that the Red Sox could convince Seibu to pay part of Matsuzaka's salary in order to get a deal done, as Seibu will receive nothing unless Matsuzaka signs with Boston. That would allow the Red Sox to recoup a little of that $51.1 million.
However, just yesterday MLB announced that no side deals were allowed - after a Red Sox rep had met with Seibu! Reminds you of some annoying kid on the playground who keeps changing the tetherball rules after you whip him!
Seriously, I have little doubt that the rules regarding side deals were in the fine print somewhere; but I think the whole situation goes to show how everyone involved, particularly the Red Sox, are learning on the fly with this bidding process.
2006-11-29 04:57:31
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answered by monkeyandmolly 2
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If the Red Sox do not sign him, they get their $51.1 million back and the player returns to Japan so it is the best interest of the Japanese player and team that he is signed. It is possible that the Japanese team will return some of the bid money in order to get the deal done, but it is the choice of the Japanese team not the Red Sox. This is a business as well so all sides are trying to get the best deal. If the Sox do not eventually sign the pitcher, then it will look as tho it was only an attempt to keep other teams (Yankees?) from getting him.
2006-11-29 05:33:29
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answered by ThePerfectStranger 6
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I think the redsox got in over there head. They made a big bid to keep the pitcher away from other teams like the yankees. But now they figured maybe we can pay him less cause we gave his team more. With scott boras as his agent that is not happening. But overall if the redsox dont sign him they get there money back and the pitcher has to play in japan for another year before they bid on him again. Maybe that was there plan all along. So the yankees dont sign him. When I saw that crazy bid they put in, I knew something was wrong.
2006-11-28 21:26:04
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answered by nypokerplayer 4
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They are going to sign him in the next 20 something days they have left. But they are now seeing that paying close to $52 million just to negotiate with the Seibu Lions was ridiculous. Also the agent for the pitcher, Scott Boras, likes to get his players as much money as possible. So it seems like now that the only reason the Sox did this is to block the Yanks. He could be the next Cy Young or the next pitcher to flop in the big leagues. We will have to wait and see in 2007.
2006-11-28 23:21:35
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answered by TJ 2
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MLB said the Red Sox can't reduce the bid that they made in any way whatsoever. They'll have to put up that 51.1 million if they want to sign Matsuzaka. It's their own damn fault for bidding so much in the first place.
It's kind of hard to determine whether or not the Red Sox really have any intention of signing Matsuzaka. It could just be a way to keep him away from the Yankees for at least a year. If he doesn't sign, he goes back to Japan, and the Yankees can't sign him. Red Sox could repeat the process again next year. The Yankees might put in a 100 million dollar bid next year just to get him. If that were to happen, the Red Sox cripples what the Yankees can do in the free agent market.
Now if they have the intention of signing Matsuzaka, it's their fault for trying to deal with Boras. Signing a Boras's client isn't going to come cheap. There's no such thing as a fair deal when you sign a Boras' client. Teams will overpay. Just look at A-Rod. He's a prime example of overpaying for a Boras's client.
2006-11-28 18:25:31
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answered by Anonymous
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Everybody already know Matsuzaka. Let me tell you about Hideki Okajima. Okajima (30 years old) has been with Japanese Professional Baseball League for the past 12 years (11 years with Tokyo Giants and 1 year with Nippon Ham Fighters). His career record is 34 win, 32 lose, 41 save with 3.36 ERA (2.14 this past season). Okajima is a left-hand reliever and well known for pitching without looking at batters (no kidding! you will see). After declaring an FA this season, seven MLB clubs wanted him as a reliever and setupper. Red Sox won him with the largest money among the 7 clubs. I am sure Matsuzaka and Okajima will have a great impact on Red Sox next season.
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answered by Anonymous
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Seems like a smart move to me.
The Red Sox are simply exploiting a flaw in the rules for posting a bid to sign a Japanese player.
The pitcher, who's name I am not even going to attempt to spell, has the option to sign whatever they offer him, or to return to Japan for another year.
Either way, this is a winning situation for the Red Sox. They either get to sign a top tier pitcher for as little as $2 million per year (since he cannot even listen to an offer from another team until after the 2007 season), or he returns to Japan and does not pitch for the Yankees.
If he returns to Japan and gets posted again, there is absolutely nothing to stop the Red Sox from bidding $200 million or more next year, with absolutely no intention of signing the pitcher, simply to keep him from the Yankees. After all, they only have to pay the posting fee IF they sign the pitcher.
The situation is the fault of Major League Baseball and the Japanese League, not the Boston Red Sox. If you had the opportunity to blackmail a top pitcher into signing a dirt cheap contract, or to keep him from going to the Yankees to pitch against you, you'd be stupid not to do it.
If any other team wanted him that badly, all they have to do is outbid Boston. If not, they can keep him out of the USA indefinately, until these ridiculous posting fee rules are changed.
2006-11-29 01:17:28
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answered by Anonymous
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The Sox are in the position of power since they made an offer and if Boras doesn't want to accept it, D-Mat can be stuck in Japan and the Lions are w/o the $51million dollars.
The Sox made a legit offer and if Boras wants more he can try, but the Sox don't have to pay a dime til he signs the contact. There isn't really a lose in this situation for the Sox.
2006-11-29 09:34:16
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answered by bosoxfan311 2
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Like others, I believe it was a ploy to block ANY other team from getting him (especially the Yankees). With this now, they missed out on getting Igawa, who appears to be more affordable.
The Red Sox are just like the children in the sandlot who get upset and take their ball and go home. They taunt when they are doing well and cry when they're not. They pointed their fingers at the Yankees and called them the "evil empire" because they didn't like how the Yankees were spending their money and then post $51 million to have the RIGHT to negotiate with someone. Serves them right for dealing with a Boras client.
2006-11-29 05:10:37
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answered by sdmf4u2000 5
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