Loss of freedom?

Question

Libs, can ANYONE give me a SPECIFIC example of a freedom guarenteed in the United States Constitution which has been lost or taken as a result of the policies of this current administration? I have asked this question REPEATEDLY, and no one has come up with a satisfactory answer. Cons, you're welcome to chime in too... But I really want to hear what the Libs have to say on this one... And Libs, please, no typical "Bush is the devil... You are a loser" rants... I just want verifiable, factual answers.

Ratbrain, can you prove what you are saying? This is exactly the kind of rant I had hoped to avoid... Folks, please cite a source before spouting off like that.

Apparently domestic surveillence is a big one, yet I see nothing in the Consitution regarding electronic surveillence. It protects only against "unreasonable search and seizure." And I'd like to know why Libs did not complain when Clinton instituted the Echelon system, which was FAR more invasive.

Another thing I've noticed about libs is that they like to deal in hypothetical situations... People, deal with the HERE and the NOW...

Oh, and ed-mike, don't oversimplify... It takes more than one act to get you on a watch-list, at least of the type you mention.

What makes electronic surveillence unreasonable? Are you afraid the government's watching you on porno sites?

And please people, LIST!!! And cite SOURCES... I have received only ONE good answer so far, a very reasonable one...

QNCY, don't be an idiot! I didn't SAY it was wrong when Bill Clinton instituted Echelon! I was merely pointing out a left-wing double-standard! Chill dude!

Answer 1

It could be argued that portions of the Patriot Act violate the people's right against unlawful search and seizure. Portions of the Patriot Act allow the FBI to conduct searches on mere suspicion as opposed to the constitutional standard of probable cause. For example, if there is any suspicion of an individual having links to a terrorist organization, the FBI could tap the individual’s phone, gain access to their recent cellular conversation records, and seize any information they deem necessary. This is done without probable cause or a warrant, their actions are based on a suspicion. The 4th amendment to the constitution clearly states, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " The current administration has tried to pose a warrant less exception argument however, their justifications do not rise to the current warrant less exception standards. With that said, How else will terrorists be stopped? I hate to think that I have to give up a freedom or right in exchange for safety but, we're not in Kansas anymore Toto.

Answer 2

I was denied opening a checking account because of the Patriot Act. I don't use credit cards, but I had a current driver's license, my social security card and a birth certificate. The new accounts mgr told me it was a direct result of the Patriot Act.

Google is now able to retain anything they want on individual's Internet activity and allow the government to monitor it.

I feel that our freedoms are compromised as I look back in time just a decade.

Answer 3

a lot less regulations = extra freedom what's so not difficulty-free to understand? you ought to positioned on seat belts, your freedom now to not positioned on them is gone. your position is your sanctuary, until eventually the authorities.thinks you're hiding something, (even from pretend intelligence, like a incorrect handle) your position is issue to authorities seek for at all people's whim. Your freedom isn't recent at your position of residing. In Iran, people have the right to own guns for safe practices. In a warfare zone, i ought to assume not something a lot less. What ought to take position in the experience that your community turned right into a warfare zone? the right to own guns, even if you do or not good now, ought to not be taken away. u . s . gained't proceed to exist if no one has guns. at the same time as guns are outlawed, absolutely outlaws ought to have guns, and they are going to be extra fearless at the same time as they comprehend no one will shoot decrease back. contained in the variety of a warfare, we stands proud because those scuffling with with rocks and IED's (improvised explosive instruments) the authorities.is powered with the help of greed. They move the position the money is. vote casting has absolutely a minor result. Who you help financially is extra powerful.

Answer 4

you don't believe that electronic surveillance of an individual is not an unreasonable search and seizure of that persons private conversations and ideas.
What if it was you they suspected of some wrong doing just because you checked out a book from the library or you watched a movie, or you had a friend that they thought was ant- American by their standards? When you allow other's freedoms to be trampled upon what will stop them from yours?

Answer 5

The libs are worried that President Bush really cares about them being on line with www.blowupdoll.com.Or www.rentasheep.com. Their just too blind to see that the govt could care less what they do on the internet as long as you are not contacting terrorists you have nothing to worry about..but then again CNN can make deals with the terrorists for a film of them picking off our soldiers.You know,the terrorists are the good guys to them.

Edited:usa not free?I dont wear a Burka and no one has been killed for calling our President a Nazi have they???And personal surveillence of Linda Tripp and sicking the Irs after her.

Answer 6

Well as George Will has said: "Liberals don't care what you do, as long as you are FORCED to do it." LIBERAL = Liberal interpretation of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. So the "rights" they are talking about, are not what was written down 200 years ago or in ammendments sense, like the supposed "rights" never granted in these documents to illegal aliens and terrorists plotting to attack this nation and it's people, or apprehended in the act of attacking civilians or soldiers of this country. If breaking someone's toes with a sledgehammer yielded information saving even ONE US soldier from coming home in a bag, I'd do it in a second. But lest not a person throw a book in the toilet, or put a wet towel on the face of an enemy combatanbt, or put stupid photos of them on the internet, because these people that chop the heads off their prisoners in front of a camera can't be treated with disrespect. This evil we now face is an enemy that wants to die for religous perfection, something our founding father's never imagined, it's not just a world war we face, but fanatics who want to bring on armageddon end times, we are fighting to save not just the USA, but the world. Period.

Answer 7

The thing is I see warrantless wiretaps as unreasonable search. And we DID holler about Clinton and Echelon but the cons drowned us out with their talk of cigars and blue dresses, which was obviously much more important(?)

Answer 8

the why was domestic surveillance wrong when clinton tried to do it??
you and your whole side..hypocrites!



and maybe the reason you haven't noticed any rights violations, is because you don't have enough money to move from place to place without giving your life story first!

Answer 9

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

Answer 10

I haven't lost any of my freedoms. Maybe that's just because I don't place phone calls to foreign terrorists.
Prediction: You won't get any satisfactory answers this time either.