What are you talking about? ALL of human history, medicine, and psychology with the exception of the past 30 years or so has been "Men's Studies." History is obvious, I won't go into it, anyone with even a minimal level of knowledge of history knows that it's been all about the males until VERY recently, and, even now, we are still relegated to a single month. Medicine has only recently (in the past 50 years or so) began to take into account that women and men are DIFFERENT, biologically. Before then, women, and even children were treated based solely on the knowledge of male physiology (much to the detriment of those that happened to not fit into that category). And one need only read Freud to know how biased THAT field was in favor of men. As an "Equaliist" you should know that things haven't been very equal for women up til very recently, and that they still aren't entirely. "Women's Studies" was not developed to "tip the balance" (HA! balance!) in FAVOR of women, but to try and level the playing field. You want men's classes? Take any class OTHER than Women's Studies. Publications? I hear "Maxim" is dedicated to the liberation of the male from all of these centuries of Matriarchy, domination and subjugation.
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Wow, "Chinkus"...not that anyone was talking to YOU, but since you went there...what on earth gave you the idea that I thought men's issues should be ignored? I was defending the EXISTENCE of women's studies, which you somehow seem to equate with the NEGATION of men's studies. Illogical. And I have seen NO evidence that "men's issues' are being ignored by the medical or psychology communities. In my psychology classes (and sociology as well), we discuss extensively the problems of higher rates of suicide, stress, etc. among men. And, as someone who's working toward a masters in child psychology, I can tell you that the higher instances of ADHD, etc. ARE being addressed in the Education and Psychology journals. Maybe you would care to subscribe to a few (or I can send you some of mine). Again, to suggest that men are now being IGNORED b/c of the existence of ONE class on a University curriculum is ludicrous. You don't understand what "Women's Studies" is, and THAT'S the problem. And you know NOTHING about ME, go back and read some of my "Answers" where I discuss the particular challenges men face because of societal pressures to "succeed" and how this leads to stress, more health problems, and men's standing in family court. YOUR ignorant, reactive, uniformed diatribe demonstrates that YOU are part of the problem when it comes to male/female relationships and empathy. Oh yeah, and one more thing...bite me.
--The problem here, Chinkus, is that you are WRONG. Men's issues are in no way being ignored to the extent you would suggest. Men's health issues ignored? In what way? What we are talking about, here, is EQUALITY, (maybe YOU should look into honing your critical reading skills, you seem to miss the point entirely) and there is NO evidence to suggest that women recieve better healthcare that men, or that more importance is placed on women's health as opposed to men's. As for the domestic violence issue, yes, men are abused, but the difference (and I HAVE read extensively on this issue) is that the physical threat is just not the same, and that in most cases the man has a way out (male abuse victims usually always still have access to resources, whereas many female abuse victims have been denied access to all resources by their abusers) THIS is why men's shelters are fewer, they are not as needed. This is a statistical fact. Non-profit organizations cannot afford to build shelters that won't be used. And, yes, of course law enforcement should take abuse by women more seriously...and I do feel that because of societal biases there is an inequality here. I will give you that one. However, on average, the majority of INEQUALITY (since that IS what we're talking about) is still mainly the female experience.
--Okay, Chinkus, I am willing to be open to what you are saying, though, as I've stated, I HAVE read about female on male abuse, and the research I have read (from LEGIMATE sources, NOT those with either a female or male "agenda") suggests a disperate conclusion than the one you are suggesting. And I know that psychological abuse can be devastating, (and I understand you have second hand experience with this) but, personally, I would rather be subjected to psychological abuse than beaten to a bloody pulp, raped, then have to fix dinner. Call me insensitive, but if I had to choose...And since many women who are abused are not ALLOWED to work, (and therefore have no money to help them leave) but most men who are abused DO work, (and therfore have access to that money) how do they not have access to resources that would allow them to leave? I DO realize that psychological control can make it very difficult to leave "mentally," but women are much more likely to not be able to leave "practically," as well. Perhaps we are reading different sources. One very reliable statictic, however, is the rate of death at the hands of spouses. Of course you know that this occurs at a MUCH greater rate for women than men. I do respect your passion and sincerity, and this is something I want to know more about, if you would provide me with some sources, I would appreciate it. Perhaps men ARE being marginalized as women were. However, it seems that women are, themselves, still being marginalized to a degree (and I would still argue to a greater degree than men)...so who is "the man" (for lack of a better phrase) that is now keeping EVERYONE down?
2006-11-28 09:18:57
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answered by wendy g 7
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Good question, and the typical garbage for answers: "all of history is men's studies, blah, blah, blah" typical narrow-minded, arrogant, blind tripe.
What about men's health issues? Where is that being discussed (outside Y!A)? Where are we studying and addressing men's life expectency? Higher suicide and murder rates? Higher homelessness? More mental illness? More life-risking behaviour? More on-the-job fatalities? Poorer school scores? Poorer school attendance? More ADHD diagnoses? Male victims of domestic violence? Anti-male bias in the family court? Negative portrayal of men on TV and in advertisements?
Tell me, Wendy G, why is this not relevant enough to bother with a "men's studies" page or program? You're right, though. A lot of time and study was devoted to men IN THE PAST, and you suggest that we now ignore men as women were ONCE ignored? Do two wrongs now make a right?
There are too many men's issues out there that are being ignored, and too many close-minded know-nothings like you ridiculing anyone asking the questions that need to be asked. You're part of the problem.
Wendy: I sincerely hope that during your course of studies you take a class on critical reading. You were defending the existance of women's studies... reread the question. Where did the asker suggest that women's studies should be abolished. Where in the question, or in my response does it way that there is no need for women's studies? No where. Maybe it's you that seems to equate the suggestion of men's studies with the negation of women's studies. No where do I suggest that men's issues are being ignored because of women's studies programs at universities. Men's issues are being ignored. Period. Pointless journal articles notwithstanding. Journal articles do nothing to help the guy who's just been beaten by his wife and has no where to go. The same guy who was ridiculed by the police. The guy who sees that the only support for guys experiences with domestic violence only see men as abusers. I work at a non-profit social service agency that provides crisis counselling and referral to people in need. Off the top of my head I can name 26 agencies in my town (of 75,000 people) that deal exclusively with women's issues. Two for men, and one of those is for men recently released from prison. So yes. Men's issues are being ignored. I'm glad that you acknowledge that there are issues out there that have a serious impact on men's lives. Why are you opposed to a men's studies program that will bring these issues into the light?
One more thing.... get bent.
Men's health isn't ignored and that more importance isn't placed on women's health. Really? There's a Woman's Hospital in Vancouver. Wouldn't it's existance indicate that more emphasis is put on woman's health? A quick check of my resource database gives me 13 women's health agencies in my town, and 0 for men. There's not more emphasis on woman's health? Again, I'm not saying that it's not merited, but more reources for men are seriously needed. Take cancer rates: Men die of cancer at a greater rate than women. Each year AS MANY men die of prostate cancer as women die of breast cancer, yet prostate cancer agencies recieve only a fraction of the research and advocacy funds that breast cancer gets. Not that breast cancer groups don't deserve what they get and more, but if men's health weren't being ignored, prostate cancer groups would be geting more.
Let's talk about abuse, shall we? Stats Canada's 2005 General Social Survey indicated that men are the victims of domestic violence at equal rates as women, at every level or degree of violence. Just as many men get punched in the head by their partners as women do. Just as many men get shoved down the stairs by their partner as women. MORE men get attacked by their partners with foreign objects, especially knives. Regardless, the level of physical violence is often irrelevant. Domestic violence is about control, not about inflicting damage to the victim. I've counselled male and female victims of domestic violence who have told me that they'd rather be beaten than suffer the emotional and psychological abuse. Because abuse is about control, no, male victims do not have resources available to them that women do. Men can't leave for financial reasons, fear children will be abused or taken, they have no where to go because the abuser has forbidden outside contacts. What shelters are available for men? There are as many male victims out there, but no shelters. The closest men's shelter to my town is a 10 hours drive away. There are 3 women's shelters, I might add.
2006-11-28 10:01:17
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answer #4
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answered by Anonymous
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