Do you think people in Ohio were lied to about the recent Smoking ban?

Question

I am a smoker. I like going to bars having a beer and smoking. Recently we had an issue to vote about smoking. It was suppose to ban smoking in nearly all public places except bars and nightclubs and such....but that was a lie...It was actually a total smoking ban indoors anywhere except your home.

People were saying that big tobacco was lying trying to get you to vote against this when in truth It was this smoke free Ohio group that tricked people just like me to vote for what I thought was a good idea...Man was I fooled....Should always read the fine print????

Answer 1

YES!!! people say that business will boom due to the new law...not true!!! more lies. look at how many jobs were lost in canada at windsor due to their smoking ban. bunch of whiny crybabies always looking for ways to live longer. smokers have paid for many a building, and it was bad enough before when they threw us in a corner or outside to smoke...now we can't even smoke at all! i'm hoping my job (bartending in a dive bar) will hold out untill i'm finished with school....but i doubt it. if people can't even smoke in a dive bar, they'll stay home. all you self rightious people can rest easy and maybe live a couple more years and find something else to cry about. i've got kids to feed and i 'm watching my job die a slow death on the clean air in the bar.

Answer 2

A business is NOT public place. They can exclude anyone they want. If you want to make a business a public place, then have the goverment buy them (see the Fifth Amendment). While I agree that smoking should be banned in places you have to go, Court, Jail, DMV, or is owned by the public, Library, etc. then they should be non-smoking. But private business should be exempt. Because I believe that this is a voilation of the Fifth Amendment, when a law is passed that would require private business to be non-smoking. Here they take private property rights away and force him or her to run their business a certain way. I say the 5th because they are taking away something of value; their right to run their business a certain way and letting the public decide how it should be done in doing so they are taking their property for public use and not giving them just compensation. Imagine if the owner had decided to make his business non-smoking, yet the government forced him to have a smoking section. Would they pay for the damage the smoker's cause? Cover losses when his non-smokers refused to go to his business? And if enough non-smokers stay way and he goes bankrupt would they pay his debts? I don't think so. Now if a business decided to have smoking and is willing to pay for the damage to their business, carpets, cleaning etc, why shouldn't they? Then if people don't come and they go bankrupt, then it’s because of their own decision. Same thing if the business was non-smoking. Now the non-smoking crowd is saying that you should have a smoke free work place. What if I don't want one? I looked around and guess what no-body here had a gun to their head and was being forced to work here, if you work in a business and they allow smoking and you don't like if find a different job. Don't say it the only job out there, just look at the unemployment rate. Ok I'm starting to go off on a rant here, and I think I made my point, for the record I don't smoke and don't like it. I think it's a silly waste of money, but you want too, go ahead light up.

Answer 3

I did read the fine print, and I think the reason issue 5 passed, and issue 4 FAILED, is because when they wrote issue 4, they included 'restaurants' that serve alcohol. They sure did ban it anywhere indoors except for your home, and though I don't smoke...even I could see how discriminatory that is. Bars, which are for people over 21 years of age... should be smoker friendly in my book. Not only that, but the stipulations on outdoor smoking areas is ridiculous, when you're talking about a state with freezing winter temps and NO shelter if you do go outside to smoke. If the fanatical anti-smoking people wanted to do a service, they'd be fighting for it to be illegal for people to smoke in an enclosed car with children...not for it to be illegal in a place designated for adults only.

Answer 4

there were 2 issues

1- issue 4: smoke less ohio: banned it in all places except for bars, nightclubs, bowling allys, and some restaurants

2- issue 5: smoke free ohio: TOTAL ban exept for indoors

that is gay, a few people bitching over 2nd hand smoke, have the smoking banned. for god's sake, we have grown and smoked tobacco since the puritain days in the 1700's. We have way more important issues in america then smoking. Little FN CRYBABIES

Answer 5

Interesting... not unlike our recent "smoking-tax" in Califormia where they tried to tack on an extra $2.50 to each pack of smokes (that would raise the average price to $7.00 a pack.) for HEALTH !! Fortuneately "Big Tobacco" pointed out that only 11% of the taxes raised would go to anything remotely connected with smokeers health-issues.

Not unlike 2000 when "Tobacco-Free California" formed a NEW organization to promote their Proposition to remove smoking from bars and nightclubs... this new group was "Bartenders and Waitresses for a Smoke Free Environment".

BUT when you did some research, it had NO connections to the Bartenders or Food-workers Unions, virtually NO support (7%)within the industry... but they sure fooled the electorate... the proposition passed overwhelmingly.

I like to say that smokers are the ONE minority that it is PERFECTLY politically correct to discriminate against.

ALWAYS read the WHOLE Proposition... it's amazing how sneaky those lawyers who write them can be.

Answer 6

You were deceived, and that was the intent.

Smoke-LESS Ohio (issue 4) was the one backed by Big Tobacco. Smoke-FREE (issue 5) was backed by the AMA & American Cancer Society. Smoke-less was banking on their's to pass. If 4 wins, 5 loses whether it passed or not. Issue 4 people assumed everyone would vote for both 4 & 5.

Answer 7

absolutely,,,,, thats politics today, trick as many as u can. Kentucky is Thanking Ohio for passing that smoke free issue, and dismissing the gambling issue,their revenues are going to go up across the border, many jobs will be lost from this smoking ban. small bars and taverns will not be able to survive the cut in business, delivery routes could be cut causing drivers to lose jobs etc etc

Answer 8

Yes

Answer 9

yes, if issue 4 had passed it would have overridden 5 and would have changed ABSOLUTELY NOTHNG. thankfully, 4 failed and 5 passed, smoke free ohio!

Answer 10

how have i been tricked? im from dayton and im sorry but my right to health and the pursuit of a illness free life trumps your hellbent wish to kill yourself with tar and nicotine...tobbacco kils period and i dont want to be a part of it.