why are most men apposed to the child support agency. Does it make you think before having unprotected sex?

Question

If you are a man and apposed to the csa, who do you think should take care of your children?

Stastically number of men getting women pregnant and leaving has gone down since the csa and it makes men more likely to take an interest in their children, so why so many men against it?

james bondage

Does a women lifestyle not suffer when she has children alone? Ofcourse more than a man.

verita

The point is men were being MORE feckless out of wedlock BEFORE (more women abandoned while pregnant) the CSA came along so you point makes little sense. But I do see where you are coming from so thanks!

tartan bea

I hope you not suggesting the NHS takes the burden of pregnancies, with the man having the final say. Come on, lots of women are scared emotionally by having abortions. Sounds like shifting responsibility.

No form of contraception is 100 percent, we ALL know that, so when men are having sex theyare alway taking a risk. If your thinking like this i suggest you always wear a comdom, or do not have sex, you are a strange view of women.

Answer 1

Well I can think of two types of men who might have a problem with the CSA.

First of all, there's a huge culture of financial irresponsibility among these days. People who get really angry when made to take responsibility for themselves. And it's a bigger problem than just the CSA. I used to work at the housing association and you'd be surprised how many people in very reasonable subsidised housing in a very nice borough in London would b*tch and complain when they went into arrears and the council chased up their rent- as if it wasn't our right to ask them to pay their (massively cheap) rent?! And we all know people with huge debts who totally resent the fact that the bank is so cheeky as to want their 5 grand back.

So it's no surprise that a few people have the attitude that they shouldnt have to pay for their kids either. It's this attitude that they are above the law, the exception to the rule, although they can never back this up with any actual reason so they just get angry and lash out at the person coming to them to collect.

I think there's another breed of men who oppose the CSA because as far as I understand, it isn't controlled by the same agency that controls custody and visitation arrangements. So while a man might be fighting in court to even be allowed to see his children, if his ex is denying him access, he probably resents the CSA chasing him up for all his money while this is going on. This makes a little more sense. In theory it seems fair that if a man is denied access once the courts have given it to him, he ought to be able to withold payments to his ex as a bargaining tool. Unfortunately this just can't be the way of things as long as it's the kids who will suffer in less well-off families.

Answer 2

If this left wing government, aided and abetted by feminists et al, hadn't undermined the traditional family unit, and, amongst other things, promoted single parenthood, there wouldn't be a need for the child support agency. The CSA is a symptom of a deeper malaise in society. As long as women continue to believe the feminist mantra, "man not needed", men will be feckless and children will suffer. If you are not married, there is no committment.

Another problem, is that the family courts are so predjudiced toward women, that it is often difficult for men to get to see their children. The very existence of the CSA implies that men can't be trusted to comply with court orders. If the court orders and/or the subsequent behaviour of the mother was reasonable, most men would be happy to pay a reasonable amount of maintenance. Also, like any government department, the CSA is hopelessly inefficient.

Answer 3

You make a bit of a sweeping statement saying 'men' are against the CSA.
You'll probably find that both men and women are opposed to the CSA because of their incompetence and failure to get anything right.
They are well known for taking payments from the father but not passing this on to the mother, calculating payments incorrectly, not resolving issues quickly enough, the list is endless.

Personally if I need to pay maintenance for my offspring then I am cabaple of doing that dircetly with my ex without the interference of a government body, and most men are the same. Of course some men will shirk their responsibilities but they are in the minority and when faced with someone like that they need to be dealt with effectively.
Sadly the CSA has failed in the very task it was set up to do.

Just another scheme on the long list of New Labour's failures.

Answer 4

The thing about the CSA is they made men pay far too much and put the men's own standard of living in jeopardy. It's not as black and white as the CSA tried to make it and that's where the problems lie. In answer to the question of course a womans life suffers BUT what if the woman instigates the split? Like I say it's not black and white

Answer 5

As if "child support" wasn't a euphemism for "mommy's paycheck" Most cases where the father is paying child support, which is totally unaccounted, is a case where the mother filed for divorce, kicked the father out of the family and demanded he (over) pay her for the 'privilege'. Those of us who have had to stand by and watch the mother squander the "child support" on themselves are the ones complaining because there are so many mothers embezzling from their children. Then again, the fact that women have 4 legal and sexist options in dealing with an unwanted pregnancy compared to men's 0 might have something to do with it. But I'm sure you already knew that.

Answer 6

you seem to be blaming men.. perhaps if women kept their knickers on and legs shut we wouldnt have this argument..

back in the real world it takes two, so the blame, depending on circumstances should be proportioned equally..
How many women lie about taking precautions?
there is always a choice before the pregnancy goes the full term? Morning after pill can be effective for up to 3 days...
Men are not angels but neither are women.
So what happens when the csa chase a man for a child he has no knowledge of? is that fair? as for csa they take far too much cash regardless.. rather than in proportion to wages they should evaluate the "real" cost of bringing up children.
the bottom line is..
IF YOU CANT FEED EM.. DONT BREED EM!!

Answer 7

You shouldn't assume that it's men who have unprotected sex and then leave the woman to it.

I don't have shildren but I can tell you what the problem with the CSA is.

The CSA chase 'supposed' fathers who do not contribute to their children, however I know a few fathers who contribute greatly to their childrens upkeep without the CSA.

I also know someone who was giving his estranged wife more than enough money for thier children but she has contacted the CSA in order to score points off him and for no good reason. What has happend is that the CSA have ordered him to pay LESS, yes less than what he was paying. Of that money she recieves less than half of it as she is means tested as to whether she needs the money. The rest just goes to the government.

There are also cases of fathers who are paying more than half of their salary to the CSA but the mother refuses to give these willing fathers access to their children. As far as the CSA is concerned this is not within their jurisdiction.

The CSA also 'forget' to chase mothers who disappear out of their childrens lives leaving the father with it all to do...how fair is that.

So this is your precious CSA the most unfiar government agency of them all and a legacy of the thatcher government. Before you go accusing all men of having unprotected sex and shunning their responsibilities think of all the decent men out there whose lives are beign wrecked by the damn CSA

Answer 8

The CSA is less about supporting children than it is about persecuting men. A friend of mine got divorced and got custody of the children. The CSA still insisted that he pay maintenance to his ex-wife even though she had a full time job and kept the family allowance for herself. In this case they were the child impoverishment agency. He had to take them to court to get it changed

Answer 9

I don't agree with your assertion that most men are against the child support agency.

Most men take care of their children and pay their child support without the involvement of the government.

The men who are against it are often marginalized to begin with, and see it as another form of government control over their lives (which it is).

Answer 10

It makes them take responsibility for their child. But it take two to make a child. Not just the man.