Iraqis killing iraqis.?

Question

The madness in Iraq, is manipulated by politicians/religious leaders for their own gain.Agree/disagree?

Answer 1

Totally agree. Ever since oil was discovered in the Middle East, the most powerful men and nations on the earth have lusted over the area. They have bribed leaders, propped up dictators like Saddam, manipulated and cajoled the nations and the people endlessly. The Saudi Prince, spiritual leader of the Islamic World, seems to have his own agenda along with all the other players, and this all combines to make the mess in Iraq we see today. That the people of Iraq could be free to chose their own destiny is almost a laughable concept, as they haven't ever been free, and it doesn't look like anyone will leave them alone long enough to figure it out for themselves, if indeed that is what we are really doing there.

Answer 2

If you are talking about the Iraqi factions I would tend to agree While many pundits here and elsewhere call it a civil war this is not quite the case. A civil war implies an armed insurrection involving a Government opposed by one or more factions. All of the factions involved here are part of the government and the current fighting is more to gain influence within the various factions using terroristic means. For instance the Cleric Sahder is in the shia faction that hold the majority of government seats but his militia is one of the most active because he is influenced heavily by Iranian clerics bent on sowing unrest and growing his political constituency. The real problem is that the political skills of most in Iraq are still developing and several of the Political leaders head large militias they are playing politics by military proxy.

Beach Bum you are apiece of work the fact of the matter is right or wrong on how this started the existing problem must be stabilized (I didn't say solved). this is a debt we owe to the people of Iraq. you wring your hands over the deaths but would pull out likely leaving Iraq in the same position of the former Yugoslavia where infinitely more deaths if not outright genocide would occur A few days ago you proclaimed yourself a Marxist and defend China in it's massacre of the protesters asking for the same rights you complain the US government is denying you. You defend pulling out defending that we will provide support from afar. Do you Mean like we promised in Vietnam, Lebanon or perhaps you meant Somalia. You know and I know that that support didn't come then and things won't change now. The truth is you advocate Abandonment not withdrawal. You talk about all that is wrong and ignore what is right 60-70% of Iraq is stable and not experiencing widespread insurrection. In fact the you are advocating creating another Lebanon a country dominated by the political and military interference of Iran and Syria. I think one Lebanon is quite enough so no thank you Miss.

Answer 3

The answer lies deeper then political or monetary gain, we are talking about the Shiites vs. Sunnies. We see them all as Iraqis but that is not how they see each other. What it boils down to is religious dominance. The gain is mutual between the leaders and the sect followers.

Answer 4

Yes. Iraq is erupting into a civil war. Mostly because the government has been replaced with primarilly shite leaders. Yet the majority of the population in Iraq is sunni. This can lead to some problems....

Answer 5

Wow, the lack of ability of advice is bewildering. 30 Iraqis have been killed immediately by utilising a suicide bomber. Do you think of of that replaced into an American? in fact, a extensive proportion of Iraqis killed are by utilising terrorists. Get your information quickly (a minimum of analyze the suggestion). Simpleton.

Answer 6

Iraqis are killing Iraqis for power, land, government control and the age old battle that hes been going on between these factors for centuries. According to the Quran Muslims are not permitted to kill other Muslims. They are allowed to kill Christians and Jews because they are unbelievers, but definitely not Muslims.
So....how come they are killing Muslims?

Answer 7

yes! It is a civil war with no end in sight that may spread to encompass the entrie middle east! Had we not invaded the region would not be facing this problem!

Answer 8

its sunni iraqis vs. shiite iraqis

Answer 9

There's nothing wrong with Iraqis shooting people.


sincerely, Dick Cheney.

Answer 10

Before I answer this question, I'd like to bring up something that really bothers me deeply concerning Iraq, would we be so regretful if we had successfully converted Iraq to a democracy with complete peace?

The question I have been screaming BEFORE the war started has been, "Does the means justfiy the end?" What if this end had been a success? Would most be sitting around feeling good about America?... feeling good about themselves? ... even though current civilian Iraqi body count is over 600k?... even though we never had a valid nor justiable reason to occupy Iraq?...

Of course you know my feelings on this... immoral means never justfiy an end even if that end is successful. What about all those ppl that have died? What about the loyal, committed soldiers that followed their country's orders... not just American soldiers btw.

So once again, we should not take any pride in any way, shape or manner for our leader's invasion of Iraq.

Is there ever a time to take pride in participating in a war? I think so. I did an Army tour in the mid-80s then when Saddam invaded Kuwait, one of our allies, I volunteered to come out of inactive status to participate. Why? Because I truly thought we, as a WORLD, had progressed past the days of barbaric occupations of invading just because you are stronger than the other guy. I took pride in that war because I compared it to a bully beating up a little child... that we were fighting the bully. Now, we are the bully.

I can't begin to describe in words the disappointment I have in my country due to our actions. And what gets me now is the length of time it took ppl to come to this realization. I was a voice from the beginning saying it was wrong... most of these ppl against it were the ones in 2003 with those ribbons on the back of their mini-vans, American flags outside their homes... telling me I was anti-American or unpatriotic for not supporting my president.

I'm serious. How many of you out there reading this either didn't have an opinion or was pro-Iraqi war because you thought it was going to be a cake walk? You were so sure we would just walk over the Iraqis and be the WINNERS. You never stopped to ask about our reasons... were they justified. America is going to war and we are going to kick some *** then come home like nothing winning.. showing the world 'who we are'.

For example, that Cindy Shehan (spelling) that camped outside of Bush's home in Texas in protest of the war AFTER her son died in Iraq. Where was her protest before her son died? I'd be willing to bet that up to that point, she was one of those ppl driving those mini-vans proudly with the ribbons on the back before that.

Some ppl compare Iraq to Vietnam. While I see some comparisons, believe it or not, Vietnam at least had a reason. Vietnam was about containment. Containment is a word used to describe the stopping of the spreading of communism of that era. While I never saw how the spread of communism threatens us, at least they gave us a real,honest reason.

Now to get the core of your question... what should we do now, knowing what we know now about the lies?

Up to a week ago, I was on the fence about this. I literally could not decide. On one hand, I don'f feel good about making a mess of their country, the 100,000s that have died then leaving them to somehow find a way. On the other hand, I was thinking we couldn't win... win in terms of ever helping those ppl to 'get along' in a civil manner.

I have since, just in the past few days, come to a realization... we need to get out. Why and what caused my choice, decision?

It all came together for me a few days ago when I read about some Shiites that had kidnapped 25 sunnis, took them into the streets and then burned them alive. Not only did they do this, Iraqi troops stood by and watched and an American helicopter patrolling took no action.

This action was not the reason I made my decision but it is what caused me to sit down and do some deep thinking... how or what made Iraqi get to that point?... not just killing each other in a civil war but my God, literally torturing each other in the streets in the most brutal manner possible... right in front of women, children, etc...

We are not talking about terrorists... we are not talking about insurgents.... these are the Iraqi civilians that we are there to help build a civilized democracy. Their level of discontent is beyond most American's imagination... that was part of my thoughts in my analysis.

In conclusion and to get to the point of my answer, we need to get out for two reasons:
1. We can not solve their civil war.
2. We are making it worse by being there.

#2 is the most important reason for withdrawal. We turned their country upside down and caused 100,000s of them to die. If I thought for half a second we could fix what we have done, I would be a 110% supporter to stay and fix it; but, that is not reality. The reality is that the longer we stay, the more they resent us, the more unrest there will be.

There is going to be a civil war whether we are there or not. Because we can not pick a side, there is nothing we can do to stop it.

Note: Have you heard the latest that more Iraqi civilians died in October than any month since 2003.. the year we invaded.

Lastly, I am not saying that we pull a Vietnam and pull out without any assistance at all. I think we need to discontinue military support and start a humanitarian and financial support. Anybody can be bought. I think that is where we have failed with other groups such as Hamas. Hamas's animosity towards Israel comes mostly from their resenting Israel's success while they suffer an enormous unemployment rate. You can't tell me if we threw money at them, they wouldn't be more apt to chill out and at least listen.

With all this said, the core final solution to this problem is to divide Iraq into two maybe three countries.

Note: last week on PBS, there was a segment about how 70% of Iraqis have moved from their homes into new areas in the past year.

So, since most of them have already moved, it's not like we would be uprooting them from their homes.

And since they are doing this on their own, I'd be willing to bet if we presented this solution to them where maybe we enforced their borders, I'd bet you money they would take the offer. Then after the borders were decided on.. which wouldn't be real easy but at least would probably temporarily move their focus from a civil war to this idea, then we could fund each segment.

Some might not like the idea of throwing money at them. I say it is a lot cheaper in the long run than paying billions for military action, it is a set answer and it saves lives on both sides.

One last point or note, many Washington analysts are saying saying we will not be in Iraq two more years. Why? They are saying there is no way the Republican party wants to be in Iraq when the next election comes around.