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I think that all ppl should be paid the same for their job regardless of gender. I know that all people are NOT created equal and I believe we should learn to get over it, and embrace that fact so we can be stronger as communities. I think that if you are treated as a lesser individual simply for being a female, you have been dealt a grave injustice. My problem is women in the workplace who come thru and like to pretend they want equality, when they just want equal pay. The types that force employers to set up sensitivity training b/c they want to be treated like dainty little stereotypical women-folk and pretend they are activists for womens rights. They want to reap the benefits of being viewed as an equal, not to be treated like one. Why don't other feminists shut these ppl down? They contribute to the imagery that makes men view women as a lesser being. The inconsistency is so obvious it's comical. I believe that being born should make you a feminist in our society but I can't

2006-11-25 03:24:23 · 8 answers · asked by Rick R 5 in Social Science Gender Studies

stand posers who ruin the good name of a good cause. Nobody on earth is made equal to his or her peers, except in the fact that we're all human, but that alone should be enough. Since it isn't activists are needed to enforce the idea of equality. Why would anyone want to be associated with someone who made a laughingstock of their cause and still liked to pretend they were vouching for it, and fighting for idealism that accompanied it?

2006-11-25 03:28:19 · update #1

It would seem as though Tobias thrives off of the controversy of twisting others words and then sitting back and watching the sparks fly. It is a recurrent trend in his answers though I have yet to check out his questions, I suspect it is the same there as well. It is obvious you are intelligent, y waste it? Or perhaps he has a personal qualm with what he views as male chauvinism. At any rate my question was meant to say simply that women should be treated as equals AND paid as equals, but those whose only concern is getting paid equally should not have to hide behind the 'equality' smokescreen. If you had actually read the question, instead of seeing that a male had posted a question in the 'womens studies' forum and decided you needed to scold him, you probably would've noticed that. Prejudice is an ugly thing Mr. F, and pre-set biases are just lesser form of prejudice.

2006-11-25 15:34:42 · update #2

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If she wants equal pay as a man, then she should be treated as a man?

Ok. Let's start with this.

You are all basing men as the way to be treated. The inherent problem with all of this is that what is equality? Tell me that. Does equal mean ... equal to men? Then, if women were to be treated equal to men, that is still basing equality on the kind of treatment that men recieve. Saying that women should be equal to men ISN'T a reciprocal statement. If someone said that men should be equal to women, you'd probably get laughed at. Therefore, the equality is only based on what men recieve. And that is sexist thought. That is still trumping men as the ones who have it good enough that everyone should be equal to them in order to consider it "equality." That exact same thought applies to heterosexuality as the normative sexuality and whiteness as the normative race. "Male" is the normative gender. Stating (and believing) that women should be treated equal to men only acknowledges that women are denied something, maybe not that men get something extra.

As for the half-assed activists...just like any other movement for equality, whatever that might mean, there are always the posers who don't truly understand the ideology and the point behind the movement, why it's necessary, and what they, as the individual, can do which can promote the ideology. It's unfortunate but a part of any group which is oppressed in ways. It just feeds back into the stereotype which is being questioned and fought in the first place. But, once again, I can't really answer this question very well because there is the assumption that being treated equal is synonymous with being treated at male and that logic is just inherently flawed.

Also, women who act like men in the workplace (that is, aggressive, cut-throat, very goal oriented) typically have to compromise their femininity in order to attain this and essentially become asexual. I wish I could find it, but there was a this article out of California about women who had to go to some sort of therapy for being "b/tches." They were bosses of some larger companies and their actions were no different than the male bosses, but since their femininity and "softness" were compromised, people's views of how they should act really clashed with how they did act and, in short, made lots of people (men and women!) very upset with the way they were acting. A sociologist went to check it out and noted that there was really no difference between how the male bosses and the female bosses were interacting with their employees. So, once again, the notion of women being treated the same as men or acting like men is just flawed because we, as a society, are too programmed to think of men and women as differently. If a woman were to replicate masculinity and be treated like man, or treat others like a man would in the workplace, then she is just viewed as a pushy b/tch, an ice queen, or asexual yet men don't have to compromise their sexuality or reputation in order to exist in the workplace because the standard for behavior in the workplace is set *by* men, *for* men, and left very little room for women.

2006-11-25 03:46:43 · answer #1 · answered by jr_crime_fighter 2 · 1 0

I don't mind the equal pay or anything else for equality, but I think there should be standards set and if a person can not meet them then they shouldn't be hired for that position. I don't believe we should lower our standards for certain groups of people. Standards have been lowered so that women can meet them, that is not right. I also don't agree with allowing people special privilidges for jobs or getting into colleges based on race or gender. If they meet standards and qualify then fine if not then OH WELL! If women, can have their women ONLY groups then why can't men have theirs without the women wanting in and screaming discrimination when they can't. I say go ahead and let them in but then men should be allowed into their groups also. Also get rid of the seperate restrooms, set just one restroom for both sexes. From what I have seen women and most other groups only want equality when it benefits them otherwise they aren't interested in it. But, when it comes with all the other responsiblities they don't want equality. And, yes I know this will probably strike some as being wrong.

2006-11-25 14:20:32 · answer #2 · answered by trollwzrd 3 · 0 0

I hear you. But ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution and even before that, women have been paid less for the SAME job. It had to do with people thinking men had more responsibility financially then women did. That has changed and now women are just as likely to be head of household then men. Unfortunately, there are women out there that plead "womanhood" deserves to be nurtured instead of playing the career game as it should be. Even being a women - those overly feminine, take-care-of-little-ole-me, type women make me sick in the work place. You take a job, DO IT! And if you can do the same work as a guy can in that position...you deserve just as good a paycheck and benefits. However, if you expect special privileges because you are a woman - it costs the company and it should be considered when your paycheck shows up. Actually, I guess I am agreeing with you! But for me, the ones that really, really piss me off...are the smokers that come in reeking like a wet ashtray 5 or 6 times a day and come back into the work space and expect all is well...yuck! Or someone with a bad cold and you have to hear them sucking up snot all day...or the boss when he brings his obnoxious offspring into work and they pound on your keyboard and think they own the place...etc...I wish the lord would make me LESS sensitive to that garbage!

2006-11-25 03:44:10 · answer #3 · answered by Angelfood 4 · 2 0

I fail to see any inconsistencies in what women want but I do see the inconsistencies in your logic.

They deserve equal pay. If they're doing the same job you do they get the same pay you get. Part of equality is equal pay. How is that being a half-@ssed activist?
Sensitivity training is for jerkoffs who degrade women in the workplace because women deserve to work in an environment where they're not being subjected to sexist remarks or treatment. What is wrong with wanting a work environment that isn't hostile? How is that being treated "dainty" or being a pretend activist?

Your question states that women should be "seen as equals" but they should be treated as lesser since we shouldn't pay them equally or treat them with respect in the workforce because if we do treat them as equals by paying them equally and treating them with respect then they're being "dainty" and perpetuating that women are lesser. You don't make sense.

*If you mean the women who want the same pay when they aren't doing the same job or the women who sexually harass men but want men to be sensitive to them, that's one thing, but that's not what your question actually says.*

edited to add, I'm not scolding you nor do I have any personal vendetta against you nor have I twisted your words. I restated back to you what your question was saying because it didn't make sense. Please refer to the paragraph I have starred, if this is what you mean then say it and I'll change my answer.
And yes, I do have a problem with men being sexist as everyone should. It's wrong. I was surprised to see the number of sexist questions on yahoo and it disgusts me. I don't flame people just to get a reaction, I tell them what they need to hear and I know they won't like it - but too bad! Too many men on here are a disgrace. And women for that matter. I can't believe some of the things they're saying.

2006-11-25 09:13:42 · answer #4 · answered by Tobias F 2 · 0 0

I agree with the part about the phony activists, but I don't agree in the equal pay thing. I have a physical/mental job. In other words, I have to use my brain and my muscles. When women were introduced into my line of work about 25 years ago it brought on some discontent which is still prevailent today. Most of the women can handle the mental part, but few of them can do the physical part. The men are constantly called on to help them, or just plain do it for them. Yet, they are getting paid the same amount of money I am.

2006-11-25 03:32:33 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

So youre saying that we should treat women the same and they should be able to get paid the same as a man.

I agree!!
There is a difference to being paid equally and being treated equally. If we were to treat a woman like we would a male co-worker we are being sexist. But we can pay her like a male co-worker because doing otherwise would be sexist as well.

I say all or nothing! If she wants to be paid like a man, and be treated like an equal to a man, then also be dealt with like a man.

2006-11-25 03:34:18 · answer #6 · answered by konstipashen 5 · 2 1

i agree to a point, i am a feminist. i sooo believe in EQUAL work ,EQUAL pay. there are many posers out there. i am definitely not one. i worked for a short time in a predominately male field. my work was excellent, but i got tired of the comments of the men who sexually harassed and accused. i left and went into pharmaceutical bus.

2006-11-25 04:59:46 · answer #7 · answered by punkbun03 3 · 0 0

They are simply to scared to be FULLASSED activists...

Chickenshits run ramped here on earth !

2006-11-25 06:35:00 · answer #8 · answered by Kitty 6 · 0 0

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