am i wrong or is emo/punk/goth not the same thing?

Question

cuz under my impressions punk is different than goth and emo.....but yet every where i go i see them intertwined..


can someone tell me exactly which one's which? and what they represent i'm not talking modern-day punk( that teens molded to form fake punk)...i mean old skool...
and what happened to the real punk....help me i'm so confused!!!

is anyone else as fustrated as i am???

give me a history lesson in punk.


give me a punk history lesson

Answer 1

Ok- yes, they're all different.

Punk- most people consider it to be a purely 70s or 70s and 80s thing, but that's not the case. The Velvet Underground, which started in the late 60s, wasn't exactly punk, but it was prepunk. I don't think they were ever really popular when they were actually around, but they had a HUGE influence. Unlike other artists at the time, their music was a bit alternative- they made use of white noise, and didn't stick to just flat out melodies (exp. White Light/White Heat by The Velvet Underground). The Stooges and MC5 also contributed a lot to the start of punk. If I'm remembering right, all three of these bands were from NYC. The Ramones got together in '69 and basically defined the format of punk music- it was about simplicity. Listen to any song by the Ramones and all you'll hear is a few chords thrown together and whacked out lyrics (I Wanna Sniff Some Glue- what the hell?). The Sex Pistols were heavily influenced by the Ramones- especially Sid Vicious, who was a fan of the group before he actually played for them. None of them were particularly good with their instruments, so again, fairly simple music. No guitar solos- sort of an anyone-can-do-it thing. Other British punk artists from that time: The Clash, The Damned, Sham 69 (less fashionable punk), etc. I think one of the first big anarchy anthems for punk was Anarchy in the UK- but I could be wrong. Either way, after that, anarchism and punk pretty much went hand in hand. Some people feel punk dyed in '77 with the Pistols downfall to be followed by postpunk, and others think it was reborn in '80s hardcore punk. John Lydon (Johnny Rotten, ex punker and Sex Pistols frontman) formed Public Image Ltd., a "postpunk" band, and more of the same (although they seem really different to me) began popping up everywhere. The Slits (a favorite of mine), Devo, Joy Division and The Pop Group are all examples of post punk. In the 80s came so-called hardcore punk, with groups like The Dead Kennedys, Agent Orange and Bad Religion. Note that the names of the bands actually have meaning and AREN'T simply intended to shock. While the groups DID shock, they often focused on politics to a greater extent than earlier punkers. Bad Religion (got together in 1980) has kickass lyrics for instance, but their music isn't quite as good (So far as I know, they're still around). In the early 90s, there was the Riot Grrrl movement, which was basically feminine punk (Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, Hole). Unfortunately, in the early 2000s, groups like Good Charlotte, Green Day and Simple Plan started popularizing their mutated version of punk, giving us what I call MTV Punk, or Hot Topic Punk. It basically sucks ***.

Goth- Kind of a mutation of post punk, as far as I can tell (some people consider Joy Division to be goth). The term "goth" refers to the gothic architecture of the 12th to 16th centuries (in Europe, of course). Like the architecture, gothic music has a romantic quality to it (albeit creepy-romantic) that punk didn't have (exp. The Twilight Garden by The Cure). Bauhaus is often credited as one of the first goth bands (I believe they also were in NYC). After a while, gothic sort of broke off from postpunk to become its own genre with sectors of its own- Industrial Gothic is hardly recognizable as within the same genre as Romantic Gothic. Either way, it's a kind of dark style of music, thus the dark, often black, clothing worn by goths.

Emo- I know next to nothing about it. What I DO know: One of the first credited emo groups is Rites of Spring, and initially it was just another genre of music. When certain emo groups began gaining popularity, others dumped the phrase emo in order to keep from being associated with them. Supposedly, "true" emos aren't into the crap that's being overplayed on the radio nowadays, but I don't like the new stuff OR the old stuff, so I dunno...

Right. Was that at all helpful?

Answer 2

Real Punk Rock began as a show of discontent to what was going on in England in the late 70's and early 80's. The music is very political (Anarchy in the U.K.) even some Ska music at the time (Ghost Town) etc. They were singing about real events. Goth was also called Death Rock, some of it was pretty good (Bauhaus had the song Bela Lugosi is Dead) The Cure also had some Goth songs it was kind of like hard to explain that kind of music because it was kind of morbid but not morbid. Emo is crybaby music. Emotive. It all started way back when with The Smiths. They are all alternative thats probably they are always thought of (by non music lovers) as the same.

Answer 3

Punk was originally an anti-consumer movement and there is an ethos of DIY among many genuine punks, which make the whole term "pop punk" seem like an oxymoron. Punks are often distinguished by their tattered clothes, and often sport piercing and wild, colourful hairstyles. Clothing is, of course, a superficial way of judging the movement but these are the trends within the subculture

The Goth movement is about as old as the punk movement. It emphasizes a romantic, gothic approach to life and celebrated what is beautiful, tragic and macabre. They tend to wear black, but moreover they emphasize lush dark colours and like lace, velvet and corsets. They often darken their hair and a stereotypical goth paints his or her face white

I think that people confuse emos with Goths. Emos are a relatively new movement and as such, most emos are teenagers. Many Goths, on the other hand, are quite a bit older and have been with the movement for a while. Emos behold themselves to a decandent and fashionable adolescent self-pity. They sport floppy hairstyles that cover half their faces, band t-shirts and skinny jeans. Also, legions of people make fun of them, which is not so much the case with goths and punks, who have more widespread street cred.

Answer 4

When someone teases you, you could retort, "I was thinkin' the same thing about you 'cept it was about yer face!" then laugh and walk away. To be honest, this is cultural. People assume that because we live in developed countries we can all afford to be fashionable. Most people without much money may buy two of the same thing and whereas your mother did the best she can and bought as many as she could of the same clothes. Why don't you get yourself a job and buy some different stuff? You could wear the new with the old or break-in the new items on your weekends. It can be fun to have a few different things. I think that if you want to stay being who you are, and there's nothing wrong with that, then you'll have to accept that society is shallow and will be nasty. - Pepper.

Answer 5

These were all subcultures in the late '70's and '80's. Punk was a lifestyle, anarchy was the anthem, and free spirit and indulgement was the mannerism. Bands like the Sex Pistols, and the Ramones were the idols. I'd have to say that my favourite Punk band is Bad Religion. Not that great at the instruments or the vocals, but the lyrics are true eye opener's. It brings forth real problems, and shoves it in peoples faces. That's what punk is about. A real punk would wear out their clothes until they were ripped, color on them with marker, stitch them up were it seemed fitting, and buy a lot of their clothes from second hand stores. Not buy them from Hottopic. I suppose mohawks in a variety of styles is the trademark. Their music is very fast-paced, both vocals and instrument. The lyrics can signify a variety of topics, but again, mostly political and in favor of truth.

As for goths, it's hard to discern where it started. But one thing is for sure, they are the biggest target in the US for subcultures around music. Namely for the Columbine Massacre. If you are interested, listen to "Leave me Alone" by the Cruxshadows. As for dress, BLACK is it. Some splash of color is ok. I myself prefer a black and red combination. Some of the bands that are hot on the goth scene are Collide, Abney Park, the Cruxshadows, and in my opinion, still NIN. All of them are industrial and or techno with a hint of old school instrument, and to my liking, some cello and violins. I think of goth as very sombre, but so provocative. I would not say that they are not obsessed with death in a suicidal manner, more of in a romantic sense. Think of Romeo and Juliet in a old Victorian setting, and mesh it with the Nightmare Before Xmas.

Emo, whole other animal. Many say the Cure started the trend. But from what I have seen, it is the youth melding Punk and Goth together in sort of a wannabe way. Emo is not all about cutting and death. The bands that lead the Emo circuit? Mainly AFI, but the new AFI in my opinion sucks. Miss Murder sucks. My Chemical Romance is supposedly another Emo band, I never listened to any of their music. I listen to underground goth mainly. But the Emo lifestyle is all about the music, and very emotional music at that. Could be a range of emotions, but it is usually sadness that is in the ranks.

Answer 6

Here its is...Goths bassically dress black and sometimes worship the devil, the listen to alot of metal. Emo is mostly goth but ur alot dumber, u cut and whine. Punk is all about expressing urself alot diffrent than emo and goth

Answer 7

no. emo is punk-nerdy-preppy, like american eagle with black skinny jeans. punk is like rockerish, but with serious eyeliner. and gothic is just scary. tattoos, chains and suicide shirts. my pick is emo,and definatley not goth. i hope this helped ur lesson.

Answer 8

punk- heavy metal rock stuff, screamo, weird hair with lotsa different colors.
goth-morbid death obsession
emo-uummmm, well, kinda darkish depressed looking.

Answer 9

a lesson in punk:

Listen to SEX PISTOLS!
stupid fake "punk"- Green Day

difference: SEX PISTOLS rock, and Green Day well......doesn't.

that's it for today class....