Are the goverment blaming parents for what they themself have caused ?

Question

Are children getting out of control because with all the laws now about childrens rights there is no effective way left to punish them at home or at school .it has never been so bad as with this generation they think they can say and do as they please .and do you think it might be another case of this goverment passing laws and not thinking about the consequences?

i`m asking this because when i was a kid if an adult saw you doing something wrong while you where out playing ,you were liable to get a scutch around your ear and dragged off home and school didn`t think twice about giving you a slap either .it didn`t hurt me and it made me respectful to adults .

Answer 1

I agree that, at school, children are not held to a standard of morality or a set of rules in harmony with morality. They therefore find themselves confused concerning the proper behavior at school. This is one of many government failures in the public "education" system. Additionally, their methods for enforcing their "rules" are quite ineffective. You are quite right on all these accounts.

Based on personal experience, I disagree that violence and fear of the same is healthy for children or for their discipline, though force has a place when used against the same. There exists only one rational response to violence, and that it violence. In the words of Ayn Rand, the threat of violence inherently removes morality from the discussion.

Violence creates serious pschological stress (leading to diseases and disorders of the mind), and it looses efficacy as the children grow up. As children get bigger, they realize that they can resist violence with violence much more effectively, and they tend to want to perpetuate violence to others when their will is violated (as has been done to them).

My own experience with my two little girls reveals that children want to obey their authority figures without threat of violence when such brings them security, sovereignty (in which they have proven themselves), order, consistency, and rationality (predictability). I can count the number of times that I have used violence (a gentle, firm "spanking") against my daughters, over the course of both of their lives, on one hand with fingers to spare. Freedom and sovereignty (even privileges) are all much more effective tools for disciplining children.

BTW, every child I have ever known was a mirror image of their parents. You can learn more about a person by observing their children for a few moments than by being the parent's friend for a month. Additionally, every out-of-control child I have seen had a dysfunctional family (either single parent or soon to be single parent, or out-of-wedlock birth).

Yes, government is causing disciplinary problems, but no, the root is not in the preclusion of violence.

Answer 2

You know, the government says it's illegal to harm a child -- they don't say that parents can't discipline their children. I think many parents are just too damn lazy to THINK about the way they are raising their children. There are many ways to shape a child's behavior that DO NOT include spanking!

On the other hand, I think it's too bad that schools aren't able to discipline children. I don't mean corporal punishment -- I mean just discipline. At our school, an 8th grade student stole $1400 that a teacher had in his room -- the teacher had just collected $ from students from a fundraiser that he did. Because the thief was on an IEP (Individualized Education Plan), the most the school could do to him was suspend him for three days. Apparently his IEP says he cannot predict consequences, and therefore cannot be held responsible for his actions. This is a kid who earns B's and C's and is normal in every way except for his bad behavior. Anyway, this sickens me. So I think what the government has done is make laws that take responsibility away from people and give them excuses for their illegal activity. It's sad.

Answer 3

Our government represents ourselves and society. They pass the laws that people demand and yes, I think they haven't considered the consequences.
Take a small point. Headlice. Do you know it is against the law to tell a parent their child has headlice? And children may not be removed from the classroom for this reason. So what happens, all the children get headlice!
Because one child's feelings were hurt.
Drinking. People are not supposed to sell alchol to minors So where do they get it from?
Drugs - it's against the law, so why is it so glamarous?
It's been shown that children do best with married parents, so why do single parents (kids) get housing?
Why don't we teach our children to say "no" to sex? Underage or not.
We've got the kids we deserve. Every time you hear a kid swear, remember they heard it from an adult.
Every time you hear of a child bullying/hitting/stabbing - remember - they learnt it from an adult. And that includes the rubbish tv and films we have today, which glamorise violence.
If you want good kids, give them a good society.
Doodydude - I was being ironic. Didn't you vote them in?

Answer 4

For a great many years now the government has been involved in areas they have no business at all. Our government needs to govern and quit trying to run our lives. They need to leave the raising of our children to the parents. If parents break a few simple laws then they can be arrested for that, but the government does not to be our conscious and some psychologist who has never had kids of their own like so many out there trying to tell us what we should do with the upbringing of our children. These people don't know what morons they really are by telling others about how to do something they have no experience in what-so-ever. Not everything can be learned out of a book. Government needs to stay completely out of a great many areas of our lives they now try and control.

Answer 5

yes and no
I think parents are to blame for their children, some parents are so slack and too bothered about their own life to take care of their children properly,
You cant blame the fact that not been allowed to smack them is why they are so out of control!
I watched a documentary about an 12 year old girl getting pregnant her mother was so pathetic saying I told her not to have sex and she wouldnt listen she went and did it any way! she then went on to blame the school for not teaching sex ed early enough.
Im sorry but you dont just tell a 12 year old girl she cant have sex you make sure she doesnt even if you have to pick her up from school and god forbid spend more time talking to her, thats what parents are there for.
There are ways to discipline children than giving them a kick in, My son was smacked when he was little never hard though
but i could never imagine smacking him now, not because of the law because i dont think it does any good and it would result in him hating me.

One more point do you think that people who agree with smacking their children have actually stopped smacking their children because of the laws, I seriously dont think so, so what difference has this law made? none

Answer 6

The government is partly to blame-I agree. But there are better-and more effective ways-of punishing a child than smacking them. Don't get me wrong-my daughter will get a smack on the backside or on her hand if she's really playing up-I usually tell her if she doesn't stop,she will get a smack,and if she keeps going,then she does. But personally,I've found taking things away from her works well and teaches her consequences. Such as no TV,no scouts or brownies,early bedtime,etc.
Many parents are to blame because they don't follow through when they threaten a punishment.

Answer 7

I agree that the government has taken to much power from the police but they did it because of the parental outcry "How dare they touch my children" then they try and blame the government. Unfortunately some of us liked it the way it was it never did us any harm after all it all boils down to discipline which the parents will not carry out.

Answer 8

You have hit the nail right on the head. It is very much the case with childrens disciplin and it goes a lot further. They have bulldozed legislation through on all areas of society without thinking it through and then blamed the public for the consequences. Road charges will be another if thay get it though in the next term

Answer 9

You're right. Teachers are unable to teach as effectively as they once did because of all the rules requiring them to be gentler, full of praise, and to never touch any child in any way;

parents have similar worries and find themselves without the authority they require to keep teenage children's behaviour in check.

It is not the role of government to handle the raising of children (and no free child care is provided to most), but the government needs to facilitate a good playful & learning childhood, and only to intervene when there are good things to support and subsidise or bad things to prosecute.

Answer 10

I agree whole heartily, went we allowed the government 2 determine how raise our kids, look at society now, It's a Mess, parents should have the last and only say over their children. This is the results of that law.