why some people don't understand that?

Question

we are not against gays/lesbians - we are against way they live i'm talking about sexually and that's what the bible say - not to change the natural way...


people in these days call the good things bad, and the bad things good"

Answer 1

I totally agree with you....it's just like the people who protest the war some would say "just don't join the armed forces" but it's more complicated than that people protest for change. Most say it's not our business but when gays want benefits for marriage that is when it becomes my business....sure do what you want behind closed doors but I don't want my kids growing up thinking that they have the choice to marry the opposite gender when it is against the rules of humanity. With all of this gay marriage debate going on it is only leading up to the day that schools will teach our children that it is okay to have a relationship with the opposite sex. So I say protest now and speak out against it before this pollution travels to our schools.

Answer 2

I personally think the whole idea of "hate the sin, not the sinner" is a load of crap. To have the idea that you should "hate" anything is wrong. Why? Because it's passing judgement. Doesn't the Bible ALSO say , "Judge not lest ye be judged"? How conceided and arrogant can you possibly be to think that you have better judgement over what is "good" and "bad" than God?
Also, did you know that in the Bible the "natural way" was for a man NOT to "waste his seed"? That means ANY kind of sex for purposes other than procreation would have been WRONG. So...does that mean that a couple who is past child bearing age shouldn't have sex, even if they're married? Does that mean that a man shouldn't masturbate and "spill his seed"..say, into a towel? (sorry for being so gross) What about couples who are infertile? Should they not have sex? Because according to the Bible that's not "natural"...oh and of course, we ONLY do things the "natural" way..which is why we wear cotton/polyester blend clothes, or use air conditioning or wear eyeglasses, because THOSE things are SO "natural" right?

Answer 3

When you are against the way someone lives their lives sexually-and let's face it, who you choose to share your life with, sexually and romantically, is a big part of who you are- then how can you not be against the person? You may 'love the sinner' and 'hate the sin', but when this "sinner" loves his/her life and is proud of it and sees nothing wrong, then to hate that "sin" is to, effectively, hate/be against the person.

I understand your point of view and respect it, but you've got to understand that these fine sematic points rarely make a difference when someone is at the end of an accusatory pointing finger shouting condemnation . . . you don't hear the words saying "not you, just your lifestyle"- all you understand is the hatred and condemnation.

And, of course, talking about the 'natural way' is a recipe for disaster- what is natural can be debated- for a lot of rather queer things happen in nature.

Answer 4

Tell me something, why do you bother being here? I ask this sincerely given that you clearly are anti-gay and thus, by definition anti-freedom. You read that right, anti-freedom. You don't have to like what I do, you don't even have to approve, but you DO have to respect my right to be who I am. I did not choose this life but I certainly am not going to go through it miserable and alone just to satisfy some old fool of a man who, 2000+ years ago, sat down and wrote some laws he felt the rest of us needed to follow. The funny thing about someone such as yourself is that you, on the one hand, proclaim I don't hate, yet in the same breath have no compunction in denigrating others. Please, and I do mean this, just stop. You are doing no good here. You've made your point ad nauseam and frankly it's getting tired. You don't like us.....fine, you don't have to. Just leave us to live our lives openly, no more or less than you do, and we'll all get along.

Answer 5

You are entitled to your thoughts and your opinions. I've followed your answers and your questions and for someone who speaks of the Bible I think that you are very rude and very ugly in the way that you put things. I respect the fact that you don't agree with being gay. That's fine! Really! I am one that would NEVER push off my views and opinions on someone who feels so strongly against that topic. However, I think that there is a way to disagree without ripping someone apart for it. You are very harsh at times.

Answer 6

While you can assert anything you wish.

The Bible truly is fiction. The fact that you have not bothered to ascertain that, and are not actually willing to dialog rather than assert and declaim and use what you think are "cute" averments like "you are fiction too" (isn't it cute everyone, doesn't he show how intelligent and thoughtful he is by clearly demonstrating that he wouldn't bother with serious conversation with -- say -- someone trained in theology -- EVER.) indicates that you are some form of biblio-idolator. While a very present religion at the moment in America -- Biblio-idolatry, masquerading as a form of Christianity, has no place in the historic Church.

The canon of the Bible was not formalized until the Council of Carthage -- when it affirmed a resolution of the synod of Hippo recognizing a group of books drawn together and claimed as divine by Bishop Anathasius. Anathasius did not even coin the word canon until 327 and the Council of Carthage did not formalize the list approved by Hippo until the 390s, and then sent it on to "the Church across the sea" (Rome) for the Pope's approval.

There are no full copies of what is now considered scripture until the 4th century. There are two copies from the 4th century (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus) together with hundreds of manuscript fragments of various forms (Papyrus and Vellum Manuscripts and Vellum Palimpsests). Overall there are over 5000 copies of at least part of the present canonical Bible that are from the sixth century or earlier. These range from a few verses to whole books, to Bibles that were read in churches. According to Dr. Bart Ehrman, one of the foremost experts in the world on Textual criticism and Textual reconstruction, those manuscripts have between them at least 200,000 differences. Some of those differences are minor, or meaningless -- but some are very important and would change core Christian doctrines like the Virgin birth of our Lord and his divinity -- among others.

One does not need to be an expert to see that the Bible is fiction, and not the Word of God however. Even the American Bible Society explains scriptural accreation as starting with Hebrew tribesmen telling stories around a campfire. That is exactly where the earliest parts of the Bible started -- then it was expanded through midrash and so forth.

Looking at the received texts, the idea of Sola Scriptura becomes evidently ludicrous. The Bible says that the world has corners (Isaiah 11:12) and that it sets on pillars (I Samuel 2:8). It says that God accepted a human sacrifice -- he may have prevented Isaac's, but he allowed a general to sacrifice his own daughter without even a murmur, the text giving tacit support to the idea that having given his word, the man had to kill his child. (Judges 11:30-39). It clearly maintains that genocide is often commanded by God (Joshua 10:40-42 and I Samuel 15: 2, 3 and 8) and that, after killing all the adults in a race, taking the female children as sex slaves is permissible (Numbers 31: 17-18).

The God revealed by the Bible is not only both a liar who doesn't know the natural laws of his own world, and a monster, as shown above -- but he has no real regard, even for his own people, whom he forces into cannibalism (Leviticus 26: 27-29) when he is mad at them; or his priests, whose faces he wipes with dung (Malachi 2:1-3).

It is not only gays and lesbians that are hated by bible-god. This monstrosity also suggests killing kids who eat or drink too much (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21), and says that if he is angry with parents he will kill their children (Leviticus 26:22) and he blames things upon children whose great-great-great grandfathers committed the things being blamed on the kids (Exodus 20: 5).

Putting it in a word, bible-god is a monstrosity, a horrific demiurge of evil. Something that even he admits ( Isaiah 45:7 ) [Furthermore, the word used in Hebrew for evil, the word ra' is widely conceded to mean a number of different things: It can mean "wickedness," "mischief," "bad," "trouble," "hurt," "sore," "affliction," "ill," "adversity," "harm," "grievous," and "sad." So no matter what particular interpretation is given of this word -- it has profoundly negative implications. The idea that god is sovereign over the affairs of man makes this even worse, because no matter what interpretation it has, it indicates that bible-god deliberately does harm.]; evil about which he sometimes changes his mind (Exodus 32:14). What a font of unchanging morality -- that almighty God can decide to kill an entire people, and then be talked out of it by a human servant... Furthermore, it is obvious, if God can change his mind, then even if the Bible were not full of errors and horrors, you could not trust that God had not changed his mind on any other issue in it.

So, yes, I suppose if one wants to take as truth a book that says that beetles have four legs instead of six (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cud [which they do NOT] (Deuteronomy 14:7) and if you are willing to, having accepted it as truth, overlook the fact that bible-god routinely changed his mind (I can show you other instances if you wish) then yeah, I suppose its words would matter and gays are therefore going to hell.

I on the other hand, while a Christian (as in Christ follower) am NOT a literalist, and do not think that a book of bronze age myths owing heavily to the Sumerian and Egyptian myths in the Old Testament and to a collection of pagan faiths, particularly Mithraism in the New Testament matters at all.

Christianity is centered around love, faith in Christ, and Eucharist. At best the Bible is sacred because of its place in the life of the early church and should be regarded as holy myth -- stress on the myth. And what is a myth? It is fiction.

Regards,

Reynolds
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
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Answer 7

I believe it is wrong to target one specific group with the Bible. I don't agree with some of the other things that have been written on this wall, like the Bible should be burned or stuff such as that, but I do want to make a few points...

When Jesus walked this Earth, He spent a great deal of His time reaching out to those that were cast out from society and called unclean. The people during that time used sacred scriptures to ostracize, condemn, and even execute (Jesus was executed for BLASPHEMY) and why did He do this? To condemn??? No. To love. What is God? According to John, HE IS LOVE. That means that we, as Christians, MUST love Homosexuals... It is one thing to disagree with their lifestyle but quite another for us to condemn them, calling them sinners and hell-bent... That's God's job, not ours...

Our goal on Earth is to be a witness for Christ. How do we do that? By exemplifying His GREATEST message (that would be love) in every aspect of our lives.

There is a verse in Ephesians that I'll leave you with:

"Walk in love as Christ loved us and gave His life for us, that we may be an offering in sacrafice to Him."

Answer 8

What is it about the"way I live' that you can't "understand"? Frankly i could care less if you and whomever else excepts me, but your statement that your not against homosexuality but the way I live is hypocritical....keep in mind that everyone does not lead thier life by what the bible does or doesn't say.

Answer 9

which bible are you referring to? if you are a christian meaning a follower of christ then you should know that christ taught in parables not to be taken literally but to inspire thought and teach understanding. also, christ never once mentioned homosexuality or gay sex. you must be trying to refer to love the sinner hate the sin. that's not a christ like approach either. he didn't hate. period. anyway your book says we are all sinners therefore you are too. it seems to me one of the things you could confess or work on is being judgemental. that is also a sin. it's none of your business to tell me i'm bad. read it again and get it together.

Answer 10

You are the one 'hater' I can't get upset with, I just love you! Hope you have a good day - and I hope you find love and happiness and that no one EVER stands in the way of that for you. I want you to be happy!


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