veil wearing: is it the?

Question

worst own goal muslims can make, if they have concerns about being under pressure from the wider community.
why is wearing a type of scarf not sufficient to assert identity.
surely these people cannot be unaware how offensive this is to the indiginous culture.
it is such an innate part of our culture [for the face to be visible] that untill it was brought into awareness by the behaviour of others, we never had to even formulate a stance in regard to it.
i think showing your face is ascociated with openness honesty truth etc and hiding the face is a ascociated with deceit lying treachery and criminality. [note the phrases "faceless bureaucrats"/"dont show your face round here" etc etc.
given that these are deeply ingrained connections, why would people adopt this behaviour unless they wanted to demonstrate how strongly they dont want to integrate into the wider community.
lastly given all the above, and given that in our cultulre black is the colour of death and mourning, why

do they add insult upon insult by hiding their face behind a black garment.

prof neil say black colour doesnt matter.
i vehemently disagree. if i have made a comment before on the colour of veils: i think the psychological effect of a woman wearing a black as opposed to say- pale blue or buttery yellow [when obscuring any part of the face] is profound.
others say its part of their culture......well theyre not in THEIR culture anymore...theyre in OUR culture- where this isnt anything other than abnormal.

Answer 1

Nice one. You are dead right.
It always seems to be a case where we have to be accepting of other people and there culture. When are other people going to accept our traditional values and way of life. Or is it just one way traffic and we have to accept everything. As they say "when in Rome do as the Romans do" but I cannot see anywhere this is actually put into place for us, if they don't like our ways then why want to be part of our society. I'm not saying they should not be able to do as they believe but surely they have to show willing to accept us and embrace our culture as it is..

Answer 2

Hi,

I think you have raised some very valid points regarding the ingrained perception of facial covering in this country; from the highwaymen of the last 3 centuries covering their faces with bandanas, all the way to the hoodie wearing gangs of today.

However, it is EQUALLY ingrained for veil-wearers to cover up. They too must put up with our customs; interest on loans and so on.

In today's "Culture of Fear", a face-covering seems counter-productive. But is this only the case *because* of this Fear Culture?

We must all make a choice regarding what aids integration the most: tolerance of foreign customs or the insistence of one tradition over another.

Perhaps the compromise will come in a redesign of the veil itself: I hope so.

As far as wearing black is concerned - that's a flat argument. So many people wear black to make themselves look slimmer, to fade into the background etc. that it can't be considered the colour of mourning in everyday garments.

Thanks for raising the debate.

Answer 3

First of all wearing the face covering scarf is not an islamic thing, its a choice thing, second of all most women who do wear that veil dont care about "asserting their identity" they could care less about what anyone thinks about themselves, they also dont care about how "offensive this is to the indiginous culture", and why SHOULD they? If YOU think not showing your face is associated with dishonesty, deciet, lying, etc, then THATS your thing, and its stupid to expect someone to make decisions on what they do/ dont do based on other peoples wants, especially people they dont care about. The way you see not showing ure face as a bad thing is the way they see it as a good thing, as for phrases such as "faceless bureaucrats"/"dont show your face round here" etc etc., first off these are western phrases, and as much as we westerners like to think we're the ****, not everyone thinks so and wants to conform/ please us. Have u forgotten "the face that launched a thousand ships", the thousands of women in the west who suffer from anorexia and bulemia trying to make THEIR face acceptable to people like you, the violence, hurt, and pain that comes with the putting of beauty on such a high pedestal? Why should u expect anyone to want to integrate into such a thing? Whether you agree or disagree doesnt matter, these women make those decisions for themselves, and its none of our buisness. Furthermore, the expectation that they will change their beliefs to meet our expectations is absoulutly ridiculous, seeing as how our expectations are stupid and at times dangerous (eating disorders, plastic surgery, etc)

Answer 4

it is somewhat extra of an adjunct now. My veil indifferent from the headpiece by making use of velcro so as that i did not could desire to placed on it for the reception, and it did not have a blusher (the piece that is going over your face). yet you may save it on in case you prefer. (merely keep in mind, in case you have a blusher it is pushed over your head, it is going to thoroughly cover your hair so do not waste your money on a hairdresser that day.) yet certainly, the final quite a few weddings i've got been to there hasn't been a veil in any respect, much less one with a blusher. certainly, i've got on no account been to a marriage the place the bride wore a blusher. yet traditions on your section could be distinctive. despite the fact that, that's as much as you. traditionally you may the two have you ever dad (or whoever is strolling me down) carry it over the face whilst he gives you you, or your fiance can carry it after your dad sits down. (you additionally can do it on the top, yet who desires to spend the entire ceremony at the back of slightly tulle besides). sturdy success

Answer 5

while I strongly disagree with your perception of the reasoning for wearing a veil...I can tell you a simple truth about muslim women....Covering every part of the body EXCEPT the face and the hands IS required for a muslim woman not a mere choice or fashion statement. When a muslim woman chooses to cover her face she is doing it by some other wishes be it her own, cultural or otherwise, but it is not mandated in Islam. Conservative, modest clothing meaning clothes that are not tight or short sleeved, short skirts etc and the covering of the hair and neck is what is islamically approved clothing. Women do not have to buy burkas or face veils, but many choose to....Aslong as the body is not on display and her head is covered that is all that is required, covering the face is not a requirement. Head coveriing is not a choice but a command in the Quran is not from the prophet but by Allah, and a face veil is allowed but not required at all. Islam is a religion not a culture. It is worth mentioning though that in other countries men culturally deny women a lot of freedoms but cannot justify it islamically, I am american and since I am literate I can read the Quran and make choices for my self. There are millions of illiterate muslim women in other countries that only know what the Quran states through the mouths of their fathers, brothers and husbands these women cant check to see if the men are lying or stretching the truth, thankfully nowadays many foreign muslim women are becoming educated and learning their real rights and obligations as a muslim woman and not just to do what they are told to be a fact. My own husband tried for years to "tell" me what is my rights or allowed etc. but he became very educated by me very soon , he found out I was far more educated about islam than he had anticipated and this caused quite an ongoing issue for a while, I am smart and can have anything in life without a man to "give" it or "teach" it to me and most muslim men find this very threatening. Muslim men are losing control and losing their ground over muslim women due to women becoming educated, and I am very happy about that. Its funny my husband would threaten to divorce me but when I left him for not behaving islamically it was him begging me not the other way around, and this continues til this day for me. When I see improvement that is good enough for me I will "consider" it. Sorry so long just wanted to point out that a lot of muslim women arent the "steriotype" that many portray.....ps I wear colors that I like and though black is something I like I rarely wear it. When I talk I look directly at the other person because I like to get my point across and it for me is a lifelong habit....I dont care what another muslim says about me doing this because Allah knows I am not trying to pick any one up or be "evil" and it is only Him that can judge me and my intentions anyway. Unfortunately I have been outcasted by a few muslims and a few fellow americans for being muslim or for being too free.

Answer 6

Dear catweazle, I'm not a muslim, and I agree with all the points you raised about openness and honesty, etc. This is one of their customs though. It has been there with them for ages and ages. They have their own customs and no matter how different it is from our own, we just have to tolerate them because they too tolerate ours. I would like to name one specific custom that we do and that they completely could not understand but this might be insensible. So suffice to say that your point is well taken . Tolerance and understanding are the key words for a peaceful co-existence of all beliefs/religions in one country. God bless!

Answer 7

It's a tradition/religious custom from another culture. Applying your rules to it doesn't make sense. It does seem odd to us and perhaps like they are hiding something but that's simply not the case. If this is what they choose to do and what they believe is right who are we to say otherwise. Live and let live.

Answer 8

It's a very serious miscalculation on the part of the Muslim community. It's extreme, it's not even part of the religion and it sets them apart.

Answer 9

They wear the veil to show their religion. They are really nice people

Answer 10

cultures and customs are made according to history and geography of the regions.religion and beliefs comes next.so if Christianity is more of cooler region religion Islam is more of desert one.