Homesexuality and incest?

Question

Homosexuality is considered genarally admissible (al teast by the liberal western world)

Incest (I am talking about one between two consenting adults who are related) is considered illegal.

Please don't read this as anything to do with my personal life. I am a straight man who is skeptical whether either of them are genetic traits.

I find homosexuality acceptable, but consider incest as disgusting.

Is there really any difference? Of course, having inbred children is not good for the society, but taking that fact out, are the two very different? Should we treat them completely differently and have completely different laws?

It isn't all our personal feeling and opinons (of disgust and acceptance of a certain practice) just influenced by society, specifically by certain individuals who can create that influence?

I am sure this is going to touch a lot of nerves!

southernbellalg:

Your argument is dangerous. We should allow it because animals do it? Do you think animals don't indulge in inbreeding?

To everbody saying I am comparing apples to oranges:

The question here is the sexual behavior of consenting healthy, metally sound, adult individuals. Currently the society grades them as follows:

1) Heterosexual relations between two individuals who differ in genetic makeup at a certain pre-defined level (3nd cousins might be ok) - Grade A
2) Homosexual relations between two individuals who differ in genetic makeup at a certain pre-defined level - Grade B
3) Heterosexual or Homosexual relations between two individuals who have very similar genetic makeup - Grade C

There are different laws based on these rankings

Now is there is rational, scientific reasoning behind these rankings?

The question here is about sexual behavior, period. Don't give apple vs. oranges argument. It is weak.

If homosexuality is indeed genetically determined, do we have enough proof that incestuous behavior is not?

Answer 1

its the nature versus nurture arguement. Homosexuals frequently claim they knew they were gay as children they just my or may not have acknowledged that fact. To support that arguement their have been cases or twins seperated at birth that both ended up gay. There is no documented case of seperated twin both becoming sex offenders. Incest has a direct tie to the environment. People who have been charged with molestation always report that they were abused as children. Its learned behavior.

Its treated differently because of the negative effect on following generations. Studies of children raised by Gay couples prove you can't just learn to be gay but children exposed to incest are considerably more like to continue the trend and fill a gene pool with the concentrated genetic defects of that blood line.

In the past certain european cultures regularly committed incest to "keep the bloodline pure" but they learned the hard way that its makes the next generation more vulnerable to illness and mental health issues. Eventually the world learned that lessons and thats why no culture deems incest acceptable.

Answer 2

The morality of homosexuality is a grey area, because moral absolutists quote the bible or some other holy text as saying that homosexuality is a sin, while others are more willing to judge its morality based on its ultimate effect on society -- ie since homosexuality doesn't have any adverse effects on society as a whole, and can be shown to be genetic and not a "choice", homosexuality can be considered an amoral issue (neither moral nor immoral)

Going by this explaination of how we decide what is moral or not (if we are not moral absolutists), it can be seen that the morality of an act is often decided based on the effects on society. Back when humans still lived in little communities or tribes, incest was probably discouraged, or even detested, because of the ill effects that it could bring to the tribe; threatening its existence.

I agree that what we decide is acceptable or not is often influenced by our culture and the people around us, but ultimately, standards of morality and acceptance are there because they were useful to ancient communities and remain useful to socety now.

In addition, suppose there was an ancient culture that saw nothing wrong with incest; even encouraged it. The people of that culture would've been so ridden with mutations and deformations that it would eventually die out. Call it a societal version of evolution, if you will. A practice which threatens the existence of a society would be "selected against" and the society would not be able to last for very long.

On the other hand, as shown by some species in the animal kingdom, populations are able to thrive even with some homosexual members. Hence homosexuality does not have the same effect on a society's survival as incest has.

Answer 3

Reproductively speaking, male-female incest activities are favored over homosexual (which includes male-male incest) activities.

The concern of every species is the survival of its own species, they do this by reproducing, and species that have gender/sex use the difference in their genders to reproduce.

If there's no man and woman, then homosexuality is favored reproductively.


As for consent and adult.

The 'two consenting adults' thing is often mentioned, but what is the definition of adult? What is the definition of consent?

I could argued that a 25 years old female is not an adult and not capable of giving consent.


As for male-female incest producing 'damaged' children.

Well, if it's about sexual intercourse that lead to reproduction, what if a male-female incest have an asexual relationship?

The same goes to homosexuals, what if homosexuals have an asexual relationship? Does the Bible have any problem with this one? I mean that there's no men lying down with men in the same way men lying down with women.

Lets take sexual activities out of the picture for a moment, then things might be more clearer.



It should be noted that human genes were damaged in distant past. In Biblical terms, it might happened before the 'fall', it happened pre-flood with the result are the Nephilims, it happened again post flood with Canaanites contain a big number of Nephilims.

Crossbreeding between humans today is not for 'genetic diversity', since humans are genetically almost similiars with each other. It's for genetic standarization and reparation of human genes, the result would multiple groups people with each group contain unique genes. Sexual reproduction is a way separating people based on genes.

Inbreeding will keep the current genetic diversity, but even in time, the genetic standarization will be seen.

If we want 'mutans', we should increase crossbreed. If we want normalcy, don't breed at all.

Answer 4

Lets see now, by your understanding of logical inference, since apples, oranges, brussels sprouts, and chicken wings are all food, and even though some taste better than others, there isn't really any difference. What a round about way to mask your real prejudice where gays are concerned, yet to see if you can promote the same prejudice in others through activating what you hope are innate feelings of some mutual forms of disgust.

Your motives are as transparent as the facade over your ignorance. Do you think people don't or won't know that the bans against incest are based on the observed adverse effects of inbreeding.
Or is it somehow your subliminal message that homosexuality is the result of incestuous behavior?
Try and prove that one statistically or otherwise.

And the inferences added in your attempt to solve the problems in your initial presentation by the "additional comments" are just as idiotic and untenable and patently ridiculous

Answer 5

Why would you compare these two things anyway? It's like comparing apples to oranges. A person's sexual orientation towards one sex or the other does not mean that he/she is/was also involved in incest. Not sure what you're getting at here...

And to southernbellealg, I've never known any gay animals...

Okay, well, your question is full of superfluous verbiage but if what you want to know is, is incest the result of a genetic predisposition as is homosexuality, I would have to say no. I think that incest is a social thing in some circles and homosexuality is the manifestation of a person's chemical makeup. As for the grades that you are giving sexual orientations, I cannot speak to that as I have no idea to what you are referring nor from whence it came.

If you want answers, you should keep your questions succinct.

Answer 6

Homosexuality has only been acceptable as of late, and even by saying that, it might be pushing it. Homosexuality being an evil is a christian value, only gaining acceptance because societies values and norms are changing with the time. As well, it helps when people are protesting that homosexuality is not a choice. Animals are known to have homosexual feelings, giraffes are an example of this. (One person mentioned fish, but I believe that they are only subject to fellatio)

As of incest, it is not acceptable because society hasn't deemed it as acceptable. In mythology and in history, for someone to keep power within the family, one must have sexual relations with family. Depending on your jurisdiction, marrying your aunt isn't incestuous, but only considered so because of society.

Yes, people's feelings and opinions are influenced by society. Laws are created because of these feelings, and laws are made to target what the majority thinks. (The majority is not considered entirely the group with the most people, but the group with the most power.) I'm sure anyone had grown up in a deserted island with one other person of the opposite sex, and procreated where their children had sexual relations, if these people had no way of knowing, do you really think they would think that it was immoral?

Answer 7

Wow - that's really offensive.

I know that you don't mean to be so harsh but you should know that homosexuality and incest are two totally different things.

Incest is a choice.
Homosexuality might not be (depending on who you ask).

Gay people would not be happy about being compared to incestous people.

Incest generally is a practice that victimizes a young family member - like rape and mind control. With homosexuality, the act is generally performed between two willing adults and there is no harm in that.

Answer 8

Actually, I don't think that most people (in the liberal west) believe that incest between two consenting adults (cousins, for example), is all that horrible. In particular, if they are cautious about using birth control...The truth of the matter is that most 1st cousins can very safely reproduce with no repercussions. The birth defect issue is mostly an urban myth. Brothers & sisters - now that's a different story...

I think that most of us associate incest with child abuse, which is why the term makes our skin crawl.

Answer 9

OK, 1st off I'm ok with homosexuality, i have gay and lesbian friends and i attend gay/lesbian functions. Which I get a lot of crap for seeing as how I'm a straight married woman.

As for the other topic. I don't know about the laws, and can't give an unbiased opinion on the subject . I personally find it nauseating, I can't picture what anyone could see in a family member(that way) I love my family unconditionally, but anything other than that makes my stomach turn.

Answer 10

They are both the same....disgusting!
Whether it's a choice or rape/victimisation...what matters is the result...that is sexual immorality.
Homosexuality has been widely accepted but that doesn't mean that it is right. In due time...you'll see that also incest will be acceptable too because our society as a whole is morally degraded.
Pleople's values or principles have changed to suit what they want,how they want it and when they want it.....they call it freedon...i call it slavery!!!!
It's slavery cause they are slaves of their fleshly desires or sexual appetite such that they don't care what is right and what is wrong. so they satisfy their sexual cravings at the price of their morals, values and intelligence.
Humans are not like animals, because they have freedom to choose what is right and what is wrong. Unlike animals which are guided by their instincts.
So at the end of the day everyone is answerable for his actions and this has nothing to do with their genes but their free will.

so maybe humans have tolerated and accepted this debauchery, but with God, it's just a matter of time before he destroys this wicked system....and gone will be homosexuality,incest,bestiality or any other form of sexual immorality.