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2006-11-09 05:31:18 · 12 answers · asked by K-Dizzle 5 in Society & Culture Holidays Other - Holidays

What does it mean and why do they call the English this?

2006-11-09 05:34:08 · update #1

12 answers

it took me ages to find this, so you better choose me as best answer.......lol


] From Rosemary Wetherall: “Is pom short for Port of Melbourne (where the ships docked), Prisoners Of her Majesty, as they were convict ships, or did we all really look like a cargo of pomegranates when we caught the sun? Or is it simply rhyming slang for immigrant?”

[A] You’ve done a great job of listing many of the explanations that one comes across for the origin of this Australian term for British immigrants. You could have added a possible derivation from Prisoner of Mother England, from the common naval slang term for Portsmouth, Pompey, or from pommes de terres for potatoes, much eaten by British troops in World War One, or an abbreviation for Permit of Migration. All of them except your last two, I have to tell you, are folk etymology (which, for some reason I’ve never understood, loves to invent origins based on acronyms).

Part of the reason for all these theories growing up is that there was for decades much doubt over the true origin of the expression, with various Oxford dictionaries, for example, continuing to say that there is no firm evidence for the pomegranate theory. That origin was described by D H Lawrence in his Kangaroo of 1923: “Pommy is supposed to be short for pomegranate. Pomegranate, pronounced invariably pommygranate, is a near enough rhyme to immigrant, in a naturally rhyming country. Furthermore, immigrants are known in their first months, before their blood ‘thins down’, by their round and ruddy cheeks. So we are told”. You will note that he had to explain the pronunciation that we would now take to be the usual one: in standard English it used not to have the first “e” sounded, with pome often rhyming with home.

It is now pretty well accepted that the pomegranate theory is close to the truth, though there’s a slight twist to take note of. H J Rumsey wrote about it in 1920 in the introduction to his book The Pommies, or New Chums in Australia. He suggested that the word began life on the wharves in Melbourne as a form of rhyming slang. An immigrant was at first called a Jimmy Grant (was there perhaps a famous real person by that name around at the time?), but over time this shifted to Pommy Grant, perhaps as a reference to pomegranate, because the new chums did burn in the sun. Later pommy became a word on its own and was frequently abbreviated still further. The pomegranate theory was also given some years earlier in The Anzac Book of 1916.

Whatever your beliefs about this one, what seems to be true is that the term is not especially old, dating from the end of the nineteenth century at the earliest, certainly not so far back as convict ship days.

2006-11-09 05:46:35 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Its what Australians call Brits, especially English people. Supposedly a derogatory term, but doesnt bother me. Several theories as to where the name came from. Prisoners Of her Majesty is one, and the other is from Pomegranate, because depending on who you ask, English people burn and go red in the hot sun, or because English ships had a store of Pomegranates on board.Also I've been told, because it was apples (Pommes) they carried on board. Take yer pick. I find it ironic that Australians call us "Whinging Poms" (Mind you, I'd whinge if it was 45C in the shade and you stood a good chance of being killed by most of the creepy crawlies you encountered), cos all the Aussies I know whinge constantly, about the weather, the traffic, the cost of living, the temperature of the beer, the wages, the sports we play, you name it.

2006-11-09 13:43:44 · answer #2 · answered by Mark J 2 · 0 0

A pom pom is a cheerleader thing, but it can also be a fluffy round thing that are on top of hats or dangling down hats. They can also be put on decorations.
OR it can also be a phrase Australians call us British!

2006-11-09 13:35:59 · answer #3 · answered by PeachyPies 3 · 0 0

Actually its POME, this was printed on the back of the shirts of the men and women that where sent from England to Australia. It means Prisoner Of Mother England

2006-11-09 14:14:47 · answer #4 · answered by chelsea pete 2 · 0 0

If you are talking about the Australian slang for the English, it has been shortened from POHM, which was an abbreviation of Prisoner of Her /His Majesty. Relating back to the days of the transportation of prisoners to that country.

2006-11-09 13:37:26 · answer #5 · answered by poetikliesense 3 · 1 0

Sometimes it's what Australians call English people.

2006-11-09 13:33:29 · answer #6 · answered by doodlenatty 4 · 1 0

Someone from Britain - it's what the Aussies call us. It's something about Person of the Monarch. - I know it's a reference to monarchy.

2006-11-09 13:35:32 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

its aussie slang for a brit meaning prisoner of mother england. and should be spelt pome.

2006-11-09 13:50:26 · answer #8 · answered by neila.rhodes@btinternet.com 1 · 0 0

its what that bunch of convicts from down under call us brits

2006-11-09 13:37:13 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

a person from Austrian

2006-11-09 13:33:32 · answer #10 · answered by DAVID M 3 · 0 0

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