you got me all wrong?

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ok, i posted a question about men getting defensive about feminism, which didn't go down to well. Just want to clear this up.

Im not an extreme feminist and saying all men are bad. Most of my best mates are guys. I was simply trying to say that I think its a little unfair that a lot of men (Not all of them!) are so harsh towards women who want to stand up for themselves.
How can anyone deny that throughout the years there has been a teensy bias towards male favour, which subordinates women?
Its like all the isms, they all stand up for groups of people who are or have been discriminated against in some way at some time.

Feminism isn't an evil conspiracy or plot to dominate the world, we are just trying to win back the sense of self worth that some of us have felt robbed of for some time.

Try looking at it in reverse.. imagine mascenism! the feeling of being inferior to your counter group.. not too pleasant is it?

can you really blame us?

Answer 1

gosh ..is that the time

Answer 2

There are two groups...the hardcore feminists and the average feminist. But don't make the mistake of thinking the average feminist sets her own personal agenda...she's merely subjected herself to the lies of the hardcore feminists who control the agenda. You see...feminism really IS an evil conspiracy that's out to dominate men...it's not about equality, and hasn't been since the late 60's/early 70's.

The truth is you are trying to win back what you never lost. Feminists have you convinced that you lost something, which is a lie. You HAVE equality...but this is different from being equal. An apple is not an orange, and never will be no matter how hard it tries...and no matter how much it's convinced it has the right to be an orange and that the other oranges are just keeping it from becoming one. Feminism is all about making women unhappy with what they are.

Answer 3

I agree with Imogen_sue, you have the legal Rights to back you up should you need to 'Stand Up For Yourself.'

I didn't see the original posting, but there are very large misconceptions about the whole subject.

As a male, I don't feel threatened by the concept of Women’s Rights or so-called 'feminists.' Back in the early 70's when I found the wage scale between myself and my female colleague was 'different,' I wanted to know Why as I didn't see it as fair.

I'd come across the Declaration of Human Rights a few years earlier and had assumed the Britain, having been one of the original signators of this, did practise what it preached - 'equal pay for equal work.' I later found I was wrong and thought that this was wrong.

The oppression of anyone by anyone is not Ok, it is ‘abuse.’

I suspect that those men who expressed themselves in a way which you refer to as 'Defensive' are failing to understand the message. However, I have had arguments over this subject wherein I have been 'accused of being defensive' ~ but only to what I have experienced as 'aggressiveness' to a point where I and my points 'have not been listened to.'

It can be a tricky sticky area that sometimes could do with a Referee present.

Sash.

Answer 4

doesn't sound like anyone got you wrong at all. how about you look at it this way, since the feminist movement women have made a point of not needing men. the divorce rate is much higher, single mothers are in abundance and women think that they can just use men as they please, but the first time a man tries to respond in kind all of a sudden they are 'repressing' you or 'running over your rights.'
and they are harsh towards women? give me a break. men are built with a desire to protect and take care of women and women are so busy 'not needing them' that that are a little confused. can you blame them?
now i'm going to qualify: not all men are great, only takes a few to spoil the bunch. there are wife beaters and dead-beat dads and some guys that just don't get it, but for the most part men are doing their best, same as most women.
when you try to separate us all in groups like that you are doing us all a huge injustice.
the best thing a guy can do for me is open a door and pull out a chair. if we are walking down the street, walk on the side of the traffic. simple gestures of care and protection. most guys don't do that anymore because women are so busy doing it all ourselves and 'feeling' subservient by accepting these acts of manhood.

Answer 5

Feminism has recieved a lot of backlash, mainly because its just not the 'norm' for women to be aware of their position in society. On one hand, feminism has done a hell of a lot for the liberation of women, on the other, its highlighted the ever growing inequalities women face.
Feminism is baisically a backlash against tradition, which never goes down well, particulally within the male sector of society! men like being the strong and reliable type, to think that women are becoming equal and thinking outside of the 'american dream' and homelife is quite scary for them! Men have been the dominant species since...well...the beginning of time. Its like all shifts in society...its just strange and unknowing.
Personally, i think theres only a small percentage of men who are still against the feminist movement and womens liberation, and they are mainly found in the upper classes who think everybody is inferior anyway!

Answer 6

I agree with you, that some men are still Male Chauvinist Pigs, but they are getting rare. No gender is perfect, you will always have a few bad seeds. Men have gone a long way since the 1800's in treating women with equality, and fairness.

Hopes this help answering your question. Have a great day.

Answer 7

Missed this the first time around. You seem to have your head on straight. There is the sad truth that any movement tends to produce its share of extremists, and feminism is no exception. But you are certainly right in that there has been a long history of subordination of women, which is still with us in many ways and which needs to be addressed.
The problem is that feminism, like many movements, has come to be defined and dominated by its extremists, who too often seem to rely on "women good/men bad" as the central pillar of their viewpoints, thus alienating many who would support reasonable arguments on the subject.
We could actually use a few more voices like yours.

Answer 8

You are going to get good and people in any category of humanity. There are some male chauvinists out there but most men are now thankfully over it! However some men still presume that as the woman in the office I am the secretary!

Answer 9

I still don't follow you. The law in your country applies equally to men and women meaning women have the same rights as men so how do women need to stand up for themselves when the law is already on their side if their rights were denied by anybody?

Answer 10

Your post isn't a question it's a statement. You've just chucked a few question marks in there to try and qualify it as one.

Also I've studied sociology. You cannot give a blanket coverage of the term feminism, there are several different degrees of it, ranging from those who simply want more choice for women, to those who want the end of the male race.

Answer 11

I totally agree with you for the most part....lol..I know that is a contradiction but let me explain.....
We as women, want to be able to voice our opinion, have our say and stand on our own feet. We want to be heard on important decisions and join all the forces that used to be a mens only club. We are independent and capable.
But...we also want that one special man in our lives to take care of us.....be there for us to need and lean on. To hold the door open for us, take charge in a sticky situation. We want them to be a little jealous when another man finds us attractive and feel like they can't live without us. We like it when they treat us like we are the only girl in the world...as long as they know, we aren't.
We really do want it both ways and nobody can blame us...you see we can do something that they can't do...we can carry those children that they need to carry on their beliefs..their lifeline. And they know this......we are a force to be reckoned with...but..we are also girly girls who need/want a man by our sides.
I am proud to be an independent woman....and married to a man that can't live without me.....