And christians aren't under "satan's" powers?

Question

You do not know you will get to heaven. Prove that you will without pulling out the doctrine of "I'm saved when he died". It is debatable even amongst the christian community whether you're saved because you believe only. Do your works follow and support your beliefs?


You are entirely foiled in your own righteousness and that is even more dangerous than I, an "atheist" (which I am not--and you assume, incorrectly as all christians are prone to assume for many things--assuming is their natural instinct because their reasoning isn't honed).

Atleast I know I am a sinner. Do YOU?

Answer 1

Knowing whether or not one will go to heaven is irrelevant. Believing in and accepting Jesus, his death, and resurrection; having a personal relationship with God; and trying to follow what Jesus taught to the best of one's ability as a sinner is really all one can do, is it not? And in doing all that, one can believe that he or she is going to heaven. True, it is not provable, and cannot be known. Nor can anything truly be known except for a sense of self. Even one's physical senses cannot be known, as they can be stimulated by false images, or tricked by the brain. And since all that can truly be known is a sense of self, everything else that 'exists' is not but a belief, from the perspective of an individual. Therefore belief is all anyone has outside of his or her self. Why then is a person "foiled in [his or her] own righteousness" or "even more dangerous than... an 'atheist'" when all a person does is believe in something, just the same as an atheist, who just as well cannot prove or disprove anything? Are not both people just as foiled then, and just as dangerous? Then the dilemma though, of what to do about that. Since from the human perspective life is nothing but a belief and a choice of things to believe, there is no difference in those choices of what to believe, because none of it can be proved real. Therefore if any relevance is to be found, it must be OUTSIDE the human life, if there is anything outside the human life. One must make an assumption of whether there is or is not existence outside the self, and if there is, what form does it take? And if there is not, what point is there to anything? Procreation of a species that is doomed to annihilation by astronomical probabilities? If that is truly all there is, then I'll take the blue pill and stay in the Matrix where I can believe in emotions, both good and bad, and a purpose to life, where one can experience something as fact beyond the self, even if it is not provable. And in that existence there is something beyond the human existence. What that is? That is where there is choice yet again. But choosing that there is something else leads to many roads with many more discussions of what that something is, but they all are based on the unprovable assumption that there is something else. And since the whole system is built on that unprovable assumption, then all the arguments are certainly unprovable, but they are all still BELIEVABLE. Therefore we go back to the statement that knowing is irrelevant - it all depends on what one believes. To that one might add that all one must do is believe one is going to heaven, regardless of anything done or not done in life, or regardless of believing or not in Jesus. But to that, all I can say is that I think if one believes in the system of something external to human existence, then one must believe in the one cohesive system of external reality that we all experience in its entirety. For example, one cannot accept most parts of the system, and ignore gravity. It all must be accepted as a whole. And then it is my OPINION that this one cohesive system points towards only one cohesive belief system, which is the particular Christian belief system that I believe.

But don't get me started on "satan's powers" :D

Oh yeah, guess I didn't answer the knowing I am a sinner part either. But in very short reply to that I think that one can believe him or herself righteous while fully accepting him or herself as a sinner.

Edit: Wow, just read your answer for an Opposites question and you said something about Descartes that sounds almost just like what I'm saying here. I will point out that everything I wrote here is original thought from me - I've never read a philosophy textbook or anything, and don't even know Descartes except the name is familiar. Can you hook me up with some info about him? In reflection, I bet this post bored you.

Answer 2

That's funny,..your initial question was, " and christians don't ever
get tempted or swayed by the devil". Just because they are
"saved". Something to that effect. The truth is, once a person
accepts Christ into their life...and they stay faithful....nothing can
harm them, spiritually. You can kill the body..but you cannot kill
the spirit. Every athiest I've ever met, has been a miserable type
person. Everyone is a sinner, we are only human. God made us
to have free will, so can make our OWN choices, good or bad.
But we are to learn from our mistakes. That is how we grow
emotionally and spiritually. We ARE more than just these bodies.

Answer 3

True Christians will never be under Satan. Just like an apple tree will never bear oranges.

Of course I recognize myself a sinner and that's why I have and believe in Jesus as my savior. To save me from sin.

Answer 4

If you choose to continue being a Christian then you can feel perfectly happy being a sinner. Just be sure you don't try to spread that feeling to those who are not christians and do not accept that particular point of view.

Answer 5

I'm a Christian, therefore I must believe in Satan, or evil. So yes, Christians are vunerable to Satan's powers. Do I know I'm a sinner? Yep, that's why I pray to enter Heaven--no one will convince me yet that I'm a shoe-in!

Answer 6

pop out of her, my human beings. this is a command from God,..else pay the implications. Her....who's 'her'> prepared faith, with catholicism on the helm. yet who's the 'mom'. no longer catholicism , as all of us thinks. Jesus shows who 'she' is in Mat 23. previous JERUSALEM. no person needs this certainty -= regulation, tree of the certainty of sturdy AND EVIL. Adam = first guy, humanism. Watch it bypass to the suitable in our day. i like this message you provide right here. basically the genuine sheep of God will hear it and pa out of her...people who're nevertheless in her. I got here out some time past. hint= maximum issues in Scripture are backwards to what they until eventually now each and every thing seem to be, once you first study them. It takes an anointing from the Holy Ghost to coach you the genuine certainty. Many verses, which persons 'think of' are the antichrist, is relatively Jesus. = his physique replaced into wreck and given to the burning flame. Dan. It replaced into Jesus, as he died for us and went into hell fireplace to pay the cost for our sins!

Answer 7

We are all sinners. You can only live the best life you can and know your faults and try to correct them, only God can grant your passage to Heaven. I can only pray and hope that I will be and ask God to guide me. Because I know that it's where I want to go....

Burning in Hell does not appeal to me nor being Evil is me so I choose to be a Christian and I choose to honestly believe that Jesus is my Savior and that I pray to be in his Kingdom.....

I pray for you not because you want me to or need me to, I pray for you because I want to....

Answer 8

well done one more pitiful excuse to pretend to not believe in our God think carefuly about yourself I have and I profess to be a Christian But this is just a name there is more the doing the hope the love of others even when they do unto you what they dont want themselves Good on you go for it you are half way there you are questioning yourself cheers love

Answer 9

What difference does this make in your tiny life? lol

Answer 10

let's just live our lives and not worry about what some idiot down the street is doing...