Will Nick Griffin (of the BNP) be found guilty?

Question

The second trial starts tomorrow.

Griffin says that Islam is "a vicious, wicked faith" & i think that is what the trial is about?

Should he or should not be able to say that and why not

''Didn't the Pope say much the same.''


Lorne that is a very good point!

The Griffin/Collet case reminds me somewhat of the Stalinist show trials.

Answer 1

*sigh* and i thought i was in England. Freedom of speech and all that.

NO he should not be found guilty. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and they should be allowed to express it.

Even the legal profession can say a total insult as long as they either prefix or suffix it with in my opinion. eg In my opinion Tony Blair is a lying cheating murdering invader of countries that have nothing to do with us and a fascist dictator to boot. Even if it is true, or not, it is my opinion. So sue me!

It would appear to me that there is one rule for us and one for them. Only white people can be racist. Look at the murder of that boy in scotland by Asian youths. They said they killed him because he was white. You don't hear racist being shouted there do you. But poor old Nick gets slated for having an opinion. In my opinion, ANY faith that encourages the "infidel" to be eradicated is vicious and wicked. It's time people grew up and realised that religion is an outdated load of gobbledegook and causes more trouble than Manchester City playing Manchester United. If people lived by a decent moral code, then there would be no need for these so called religions anyway.

Answer 2

Not sure whether they will be found guilty but they shouldn't it's just the average street chat behind closed doors to be honest, this 'thought police' is a disgrace, he never said it to a open 'mass' audience and was never intended so, it was publicised to a mass audience by the media, so maybe they should be up at court ?

re: answer > Hope so! The BNP are vile and disgusting! They are what my Grandad fought to keep out of the UK in the war. Nazis!

Well my mother and father and their parents were also bearing the brunt of the NAZI invasion, and it's disturbing and yet also a wake up call to hear mother say "i'd rather have had the Germans than what we have now".

Yet we have to remember the basic fundemantal reason which was to keep foreigners from our shores, alas WWII was pretty much fought in vain, or so the old folk say so who are we to argue.

The problem is the public are spoon fed information and take it AS, and as such never seek the truth, NAZI's erm no. Too much newspaper reading, remember propaganda is controlled. Yes we have a modern day Goebbels and he's not on the BNP's side, bear that in mind.

But yes we do have serious issues that need to be raised and debated, it's impossible not to and pretend everthing is rosy. Such issues were never about when i was a lad, god knows where it will all end i shudder to think.

Answer 3

This is a free country. He is a British citizen. He can say what he likes.

After the things that have been done in the name of Islam recently he's only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

tradcobdriver - I know what you mean. My BF's boss was viciously attacked by a Pakistani neighbour (with a police truncheon) who basically got away with it scott free. He wasn't even charged despite the fact he put BF's boss in hospital with severe head injuries (15 stitches). If it had been the other way around and a white guy had done that to a Pakistani you can bet it would have been all over the papers and dragged through the courts with scream of "racist" from the Left. This Pakistani guy was just as racist but because his "racism" was directed against a white man, the Left don't care.

Answer 4

I think we have a serious problem in the UK.
This is only my opinion. I don't expect people to agree with me.
I believe wholeheartedly in freedom of speech. Where we run into trouble is when this turns into hatred with a political agenda.

The issues we then have to deal with are people like hate filled Imams and BNP, we see these in the news repeatedly. Once fire and fury and religious indignation is removed, what you are left with are policies of hatred. This can never be right as a political or religious stance. However, I still believe in people's right to an opinion even if it is not remotely related to my own. I do not vote BNP and have no religious leanings.

I think if we take your question word for word then as an individual he is perfectly entitled to think that Islam is 'vicious and wicked'. What he is not entitled to do is incorporate it into a political movement and base policy decisions upon it. Thereby legitimising religious hatred and its place in the political arena.

I don't think for a moment it is acceptable to preach hatred from a pulpit, a temple, a mosque or hustings. But we have to make sure that free speech is preserved. It is the mark of modern secular and civilised society and was very hard won.

Answer 5

Free country?We are free to speak our minds here aren't we?so then is MR GRIFFIN.I personally want to know a little more about the BNP's other policies concerning this country.What is their stance on education,transportation,taxation,the NHS,pensions,the environment,European policies,green issues and much more etc,what ARE his political party policies regarding these things-have the BNP got any-or is the BNP really just a platform for out of work violent ex soldiers(usually paratroopers-don't know why though,there are other,more "elite" regiments in the British armed forces!) to hone their skills in a "civilian " environment?Religion-thats what its all about,not party politics-and that is a great shame.

Answer 6

yes he should be allowed to say that if that what he really believes ..I tend to disagree with his politics but if he feels strongly about it and it doesn't cause riots suicide bombers etc etc maybe he could wear a balaclava and say it was his faith maybe he should be given a medal for being brave enough to state his views we all skip round lots of issues in case we are classed as being raciest whats happened to free speech are we all not fed up having to be PC to the extent that were scared to have a say parliament has debates why cant we ..and if we don't like what we see or hear we can say so in a civilised manner

Answer 7

The problem is not what he says, but why he says it. If Griffin wished to undertake proper reasoned debate about racial and immigration issues in this country, I would support his right to free speech, abhorrent though I find his views.

However, Griffin's aim is to stir up racial tension and to encourage the BNP's thugs to commit acts of violence against Muslims. His crime is not what he says, it is one of deliberately inciting racial violence.

Unfortunately bringing him to court is counter productive. It gives this evil man publicity - if he is found not guilty that will be taken as vindication of his poisonous views, if he is found guilty, he will be presented as a "martyr to the cause of free speech".

Answer 8

I think he should be totally free to say what he likes (as I and, I hope, you, would be).
Whether I agree with him is another thing. As it happens he is overstating the case. I don't think Islam is wicked or vicious; it just has a number of wicked and vicious followers.

But then (am I right in thinking?) Hitler claimed to be Christian, so.............

Answer 9

Stick him in prison for life, who needs a ******* trial? The Nazis didn't put the Jews, the disabled or political prisoners on trial.

Answer 10

He has the right of free speech even if I don't agree with his views.

Didn't the Pope say much the same.