What I mean is should the LA Dodgers still be credited for their titles from when they were the Brooklyn Dodgers? Were they two different teams, or did they remain the same when they moved? This question also applies to any other team that has moved cities, the Expos, the Browns, the Giants, the As etc... and especially those who changed their names completely, the Browns, Expos... What are your thoughts on this topic?
2006-10-28 14:24:15 · 9 answers · asked by Topher 5 in Sports ➔ Baseball
Just so you know, I don't mean any offense to any of these teams, I just saw on Wikipedia, on the list of World Series they have, for example, Baltimore Orioles(as ST. Louis Browns) so I was just wondering about your opinions...
2006-10-28 14:28:39 · update #1
There is franchise continuity with the previous locations - when a team moves it doesn't leave behind its players or its history.
2006-10-28 19:17:57 · answer #1 · answered by JerH1 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The biggest reason is that they maintained the name. It has been the choice of the franchise if they maintain old records of prior teams when they move.
The Washington Nationals are considering keeping the old Montreal Expos records as their own; I do not think that they will. When the St. Louis Browns moved and became the Baltimore Orioles they originally kept the old Browns records. Now that they have such a good history themselves, they have basically dropped the old stats.
2006-10-28 21:43:44 · answer #2 · answered by jpbofohio 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
They are the same team, the owners moved the teams. A team is a business, the owner is free to do with his business as he sees fit.
In the case of the Dodgers, Walter O'Malley was having stadium issues in Brooklyn and moved his business to Los Angeles after the 1957 season. Similarly, fellow New Yorker Horace Stoneham was having similar issues with his Giants and moved his business to San Francisco.
Baseball also considers a franchise as a single entity regardless of who owns it, or what city it is currently in.
Several teams are in this situation
1. Washington Senators (III) were based in Montreal (as the Expos) from 1969 to 2004
2. Texas Rangers were originally based in Washington (Washington Senators (II)) from 1961-1972
3. The Milwaukee Brewers spent their first season as the Seattle Pilots (1969)
4. The Atlanta Braves previously had tenancies in Milwaukee and Boston
5. The Oakland Athletics had previous tenancies in Kansas City and Philadelphia
6. The Minnesota Twins were originally the Washington Senators (I)
7. The Baltimore Orioles (II) were originally the St. Louis Browns
8. The New York Yankees were originally the Baltimore Orioles (I)
2006-10-28 21:43:01 · answer #3 · answered by Like I'm Telling You Who I A 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The teams that change their names should not keep their titles because they are a completely different team now but since the Dodgers and the Giants only moved to another city and kept basically the same team concept they should keep the World Series titles.
2006-10-28 21:27:50 · answer #4 · answered by josh_patriots 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
it's still the same franchise, same organization
if you were to argue the point that a team playing from a different city means that it can no longer claim old titles, i would counter with the argument that different collections of players playing under the same team name should not be able to lay claim to previous championships, neither
that is, the NY yankees shouldn't have claim to 26 world series titles, because the teams of the 20's (with babe ruth et al) are entirely different from the teams of the 50's (mantle, gehrig, dimaggio), who are also different from the modern-era champions. once you pass a certain number of years, the players, coaches, office staff, owners - everyone will all have turned over at least once. all that remains the same is the logo on the uniform, and that it's a pretty poor basis for considering all-time supremacy
2006-10-28 21:42:48 · answer #5 · answered by gylbertpenguin 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Its still the same franchise. They just moved the team is all.
2006-10-28 21:41:46 · answer #6 · answered by SF Giants 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
yes, they should keep their titles
they are that team, its not like they totally took away the dodgers
they just moved cities
as for the expos > nationals, they should keep theirs also, all they did was move cities and change their name
2006-10-28 21:26:11 · answer #7 · answered by pat o 1 · 1⤊ 1⤋
because techniqually they r the same team
2006-10-28 21:26:44 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
well technicly same team just the name yeah its pretty messed up
2006-10-28 21:28:58 · answer #9 · answered by king of soccer 1 · 1⤊ 1⤋