All scientists:How life came about on eather?

Question

Please comment on the probability (in term of mathmatics/statistics) of vasious atoms (carbo/nitrogen/hydrogen) to come together to form the first basic cells? How many atoms does it take to form such primitive cell "in the beginning"?

I meant "earth". Also, if possible, consider the heat energy effect on random atomic movemet from the elevated temperature of primitive earth.

Great examples given. And sure I don' denied to be an I.D. proponent. True, early cell may be form despite high improbability based on random atomic collision. But then there are layers after layers of organic organization needs to be formed, from nucleic acid, to DNA, ribosomes, nucleus, endo/exocytosis mechanism, mitochondria...and this is just cellular level. Then the cells have form tissues (with collision mechanism, and tissues had to form organs, then organs get together to become a system and then ultimately, becaome an biological being. All these needs to be come together and stay energetically stable for them to survive. How? by collision? Certainly any orderly organization, by laws of thermodynamics, had tendency to disintergrate to acieve lowest energy level to be stable. This is not account for all DNA needs to encode correct stereoisomer of a protein (and millions of them) for the body to work correctly, with each function differently for body to work.

And not to mention central nervous system. Finally, how would one explain human soul/mind? Sure, throw everything together if we, but can anyone difine soul/mind/consciousness? Sure, probabilty for one cell to come by chance is small by likely. But life is not a deck of cards, not simply explainable by chance alone. The step going from cells or even bundles of cell (primitive tissues) to an organ structure level? I just can't an organ flow around in oceans, swimming and ultimately collide with another organ or for whatever reason they decided to"bound" together to form an larger biological beings.....and actually by same process of probabilities to form an enclosed internal cavity with special senses such as vision and hearing/taste, etc. Most of all, all these does not just happen with one species, but millions of species in different kingdoms/family/class, etc. How?

SUE N, can you give me a source on your answers? True, radiationcauses cancer and mutation. But tissues are not cancerous. Tissues are formed with a specific funtion to be used in an prgan/body. Cancer organization, by definition, is UNCONTROLLED without boundry of limitation. The whole problem with cancer is that they don't undergo programmed cell death. If anything, they do not add compnonents to its organization, but rather taking over other organization or destory them so everything is the same as them. That contradictory to evolution. As for your theory on cells connecting together and have electrictity, together with magnetic field...well, cells, if anything, repell each other because they tend to have like charges on extracellular surface. They typically bound together with some sort of juction"gap jxn..etc). I like to see you connection 2 cells together, with electricity and all, and produce soul/consience/mind. God bless you.

Answer 1

I would really like to see the sources for some of these "claims". I generally vote for those who provide detailed explainations that are based on knowledge that is supported by the peers in that given field as well as documented sources that confirm the claims.

With that said here is my 2 cents worth:

Exerpt from Source 1:

There is no truly "standard" model of the origin of life. But most currently accepted models build in one way or another upon a number of discoveries about the origin of molecular and cellular components for life, which are listed in a rough order of postulated emergence:

Plausible pre-biotic conditions result in the creation of certain basic small molecules (monomers) of life, such as amino acids. This was demonstrated in the Miller-Urey experiment by Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey in 1953.
Phospholipids (of an appropriate length) can spontaneously form lipid bilayers, a basic component of the cell membrane.
The polymerization of nucleotides into random RNA molecules might have resulted in self-replicating ribozymes (RNA world hypothesis).
Selection pressures for catalytic efficiency and diversity result in ribozymes which catalyse peptidyl transfer (hence formation of small proteins), since oligopeptides complex with RNA to form better catalysts. Thus the first ribosome is born, and protein synthesis becomes more prevalent.
Proteins outcompete ribozymes in catalytic ability, and therefore become the dominant biopolymer. Nucleic acids are restricted to predominantly genomic use.
The origin of the basic biomolecules, while not settled, is less controversial than the significance and order of steps 2 and 3. The basic inorganic chemicals from which life was formed are methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), water (H2O), hydrogen sulfide (H2S), carbon dioxide (CO2), and phosphate (PO43-).

As of 2006, no one has yet synthesized a "protocell" using basic components which would have the necessary properties of life (the so-called "bottom-up-approach"). Without such a proof-of-principle, explanations have tended to be short on specifics. However, some researchers are working in this field, notably Steen Rasmussen at Los Alamos National Laboratory and Jack Szostak at Harvard University. Others have argued that a "top-down approach" is more feasible. One such approach, attempted by Craig Venter and others at The Institute for Genomic Research, involves engineering existing prokaryotic cells with progressively fewer genes, attempting to discern at which point the most minimal requirements for life were reached. The biologist John Desmond Bernal, coined the term Biopoesis for this process, and suggested that there were a number of clearly defined "stages" that could be recognised in explaining the origin of life.

Stage 1: The origin of biological monomers
Stage 2: The origin of biological polymers
Stage 3: The evolution from molecules to cell

Bernal suggested that Darwinian evolution may have commenced early, some time between Stage 1 and 2.

To answer your questions regarding probability, that is one I am still trying to understand. Please review sources 2 & 3 for further examples.

All you must do to understand the various atoms is referr to source 4 for the Miller-Urey experiments.

The best answer is that we still do not know. There are many theories that try to explain the possiblities including the Drake equation and it's implications of extraterrestrial life (sources 5 & 6)

Hope this helps.

Answer 2

First living cell was created from single atom attached to carbon dust, sulphuric acid and water and was getting energy from photosynthesis to create other molecules and various functions within whether being under the water or above . As in those days, earth was being exposed to many radiations the cell structure have altered in time from being singular to multiple cellular and have formed into large living things. This is how we are made of multiple tiny cells and these cells are still multiplying changing human existence
eg. some cellular change turn into cancer some into knew growth. People are now getting different and taller then they used to be. There are also new bacterias and viruses created and are still creating.

Soul is an energy stored in our mind attached to a core molecule by magnetic field. It is created by two cells joining together caring different charge. When two cells join together they form lightning like explosion and from that light souls is created and clamped by magnetic core in the body. When we are dying our soul detaches slowly from that core as energy and magnetic field lowers.

Answer 3

As toogethr implied... you're missing quite a few stages in there.


Scientific experiments have already shown that its possible with the collection of simple chemicals found on the early earth and similar conditions to make amino acids... and thats only in a comparitively small timescale.

Over the course of millions of years and volume of entire oceans.... theres no reason why absolutely trillions of amino acids couldn't be made... join together into random proteins.... accidentally come across some protein structure that catalyses its own reproduction.... and there, the chain has already started.

From reproducting proteins, with a few errors here and there, sticking random bits on that aren't needed but get replicated anyway, you'll eventually randomly be able to make more efficient self-replicating proteins. Give it enough time and it begins to store its reproducing code in the more efficient medium of RNA... then eventually DNA .... but then its already archaeobacteria by that stage...

Given the massive time-spans and huge volumes of material to work with, the probability of it happening is VERY high... at best guess.

Answer 4

First of all, a bunch of atoms most likely didn't come together to form a cell. Atoms bump into each other all the time to form molecules. So that is no doubt how it happened, with atoms forming molecules first, and then eventually enough molecules colliding to form some basic proteins. Eventually with enough proteins running into each other some protein chains started to form. Given enough time the protein chains formed the rudimentary RNA and then DNA that is the basic molecule of life. From these, simple virus' formed (which are not necessarily considered life yet) and from them - very simple cell structures. This process most likely happened over millions of years and took many many phases with fits and starts until enough genetic material was around to begin to form the most basic life forms.

Answer 5

Are you seeking to argue that existence on Earth has existed for an unlimited period of time? Seems like your common sense can handiest effect in existence having no real opening, in view that a few sort of existence has continuously existed previous to the earliest sort you'll be able to assume. As you'll be able to see, this could make no experience and could depend on magic...and whenever you begin mentioning magic into your argument, you must give up pretending to have a systematic dialogue.

Answer 6

to me life all started from one cell and that cell was a dominat specie it had powers beyond ours and it created the world and all that walk on it

Answer 7

it depends on the kind of energy u want to create ........nuclear, solar..blah blah and for the purpose its going to be used

Answer 8

from the ether bunny?