ben franklin, for example, was a member of the "hellfire club", and 10 dead bodies (6 children) were found underneath his home in london, and confirmed to have been buried there during the time that he was living there. http://discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?p=328154&sid=38267e39ea5ef58e4c934d384354f5a0
there are many examples of this, nearly all of our founding fathers, as you probably are aware, were members of freemasonry, which has deep occult roots, not to mention the fact that Washington D.C. is crawling with occult symbolism and architecture. why do we not learn this in school?
2006-10-23 14:17:15 · 14 answers · asked by list 3 in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
Would you stop with the lying already?
2006-10-23 14:18:25 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 2⤋
First of all, Freemasonry is NOT based on the occult. There are no "deep occult roots". This is a fundamentalist lie promulgated by people who know nothing of Freemasonry. Second, most of the founding fathers were NOT Freemasons. Slightly less than half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. That is not exactly "nearly all". And of the two dozen men who were responsible for designing the Great Seal of the United States (the pyramid and eye on the back and the eagle on the front), only two were Freemasons.
Two excellent recent books on Freemasonry dispell these silly fear-mongering myths:
Freemasons for Dummies
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Freemasonry
2006-10-26 13:36:40 · answer #2 · answered by Taivo 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I would also like to add that the word "occult" simply means "concealed" or "hidden". Therefore, by this definition, there is nothing to be concerned about witchcraft, etc. There are deeper meanings to all religions, hence the "occult" or "mysteries".
The Hellfire Club was less satanic than it was a clandestine sex club. Understanding the religious and political climate of those times is essential to understanding why such groups cropped up. The past is not all black and white and anyone searching for edification for their own biases will be profoundly disappointed. Historical research requires an open mind or all of your data is tainted.
2006-10-26 15:55:52 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
The right-wing looneytunes who say America was founded as a "Christian" country are, of course, completely wrong. This will not, unfortunately, keep them from spouting their usual lava flows of untruths.
You sound like you've got a few cracks in your foundation, too.
Most of the founders were Deists. Look it up. I mean somewhere reliable, not some garbage by O'Reilly or Coulter or Limbaugh, those universal fonts of misinformation.
Washington specifically said "The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion."
Deists are people who believe that there is probably a "Supreme Power" but who accept no religious dogma.
Franklin had no use whatever for organized religion. Jefferson feared organized religion enough to insist that the Constitution contain provisions limiting religion in the public square, and with good reason.
He, and the rest of the founders, remembered the terrible problems caused by state-sponsored religion in Europe.
And if you want to see the benefits of state sponsored religion, you need look no further than in Iran and Iraq to see where we're headed if the religious right continues to have success in its attempt to make America a theocracy.
For a model of their proposed government, the founders used ancient Greece and Rome, NOT the bible.
2006-10-23 21:39:27 · answer #4 · answered by marianddoc 4 · 4⤊ 0⤋
A good question we all need to be asking. Why aren't we learning anything in our schools? The comedian Mel Brooks had a wonderful line about Robin Hood. Did he really rob from the rich and give to the poor, he was asked? No, actually he robbed from everybody and kept everything. But, he had this press agent named Marty, and he put out this story of giving to the poor. We would all do well to know the real views of men like Washington and Franklin, who did not follow organized religion, but instead were Masons and held very different views than those put out by the modern "press agents for ignorance." Our young people are having their future stolen from them when they are kept from the truth about so much. They can't read, they can't write well, and most importantly, they can't do math and science as well as some poor children in underdeveloped countries. Where are they going to get work with these kind of deficiencies? And this is a deliberate suppression of knowledge. Science is the observation and the attempt to understand God's creation, and yet there are some powerful "Christians" who would have us believe that God gave us curiosity to learn, created nature, and yet didn't want us to discover its secrets - His work. How better to love God and honor him than to love and learn about His Creation? Everything those "Christians" use to communicate, wear, and live and move around in are the benefits of scientific discovery and they couldn't, and wouldn't want to, live without them. Young people need to organize and demand a real education, if for no other reason, so they can have a future in the modern world. If they don't get it, they will all end up cleaning toilets for those that do have an education.
2006-10-23 21:19:24 · answer #5 · answered by michaelsan 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
I have no clue what you're talking about... but as for this being a "christian nation" - complete bullsh*t.
Christian conservatives love to claim that the nation's laws are based on "Judeo-Christian law", but this is completely false. Of the 10 commandments the only ones that are actually law are the ones against murder and stealing. Our entire economy is based on "coveting our neighbor's goods" - and there is not a single law saying you must honor your mother and father. How about a law saying that there is only one true god and you may have no other gods before him... nope. Adultery? Not a crime. Keeping the sabboth day holy... not a law either... I could go on, but I think I've made my point. This country is founded on basic freedoms established long before Christianity was ever thought of... We took our form of government from the Greeks/Romans, and laws against murder and theft have been around for thousands of years (much longer than christianity or judaism)...
What I'm really trying to say is - Christians, get over yourselves.
2006-10-23 21:32:55 · answer #6 · answered by Brooks B 3 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Only the evangelicals who support Bush care about this issue.
They need to take a moritorium from politics.
2006-10-23 21:21:26 · answer #7 · answered by planksheer 7 · 4⤊ 0⤋
The Constitution did not become the supreme law of the land just because these guys you call "occultists" (I wish the dead could file libel lawsuits) drafted and proposed it. It became the supreme law because it was ratified.
Now try to tell me that all of the people who ratified the document were also "occultists."
2006-10-23 21:20:14 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
Most americans are ignorant of their own history. And follow whatever person group or party backs up their own bigotry. the myth of our conection to christian principles is only that. The only people who are led to believe that is the sheep who fail to think for themselves.
2006-10-23 21:23:49 · answer #9 · answered by truckercub1275 3 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Oh because religion is what is used to keep the masses in check.
You should get some interesting replys from the religious nut jobs though.
2006-10-23 21:18:30 · answer #10 · answered by stephaniemariewalksonwater 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
Most of what you say is b.s.
Plus most of the foundering fathers were not christain by any defination.
2006-10-27 18:28:12 · answer #11 · answered by pcreamer2000 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋