If there is a Creator then who created It (Him/Her)? If not, what was there before the beginning?

Question

Do you sometimes wonder about it? How does it make you feel?

Answer 1

According to modern physics, time came into being following the Big Bang. Consequently, there is no rational nor scientific explanation for how the universe came into being.

In otherwords, if you ask an astronomer how the Big Bang happened, all they can answer is that our understanding of cause and effect didn't apply. In otherwords, the creation of the universe from that perspective makes no rational sense, has no logical explanation, and can only be accepted on faith, for lack of a better way of putting it.

On the otherhand, if you ask a theist how the universe was created, they will tell you that the universe was created by God. But such a temporal creative process would mean that at one moment the universe was not, at the next it was, which presupposes the preexistence of time prior to the creation of the universe, for --- for there to be to successive moments, one in which the universe was not, one in which it was, requires time, for two moments occuring in series is time. So time would have to be prior to the universe, in which case it makes no sense to say God created time.

The Big Bang theory and the theist theory essentially rest upon a shrug of the shoulders. The former requires something out of nothing, a notion that is more absurd to the rational mind than the idea of Santa Claus, the latter requires a logical contradiction, for how could God create time if he needed time to create it, thus leaving us with yet another logical absurdity in which we shrug our shoulders and say, "I dunno, God can do anything I guess . . . ". Both views, in otherwords, demand that faith be accepted and that it be understood that rationality cannot grasp what happened at the beginning of the universe.

Who can say, perhaps there are other possibilities, perhaps the physical universe we know of is but one of many universes, one created because of the events within another universe. Who knows. But in the end even such an explanation would run into a similar problem, you would just have to go further back a causal chain. One could argue that the causal chain has no beginning, but besides contradicting what we currently understand about the nature of causality from science, for causality to occur there must be a series of events, and the idea that there was no beginning event means that here too, we have no rational explanation for why this is the case, other than to say it just is. Put differently, we would be back at square one, because if we ask how did the infinite causal chain come into being, all we could do is shrug our shoulders.

The problem lies in the nature of these questions. If we begin with the assumption of time, of temporality, and then ask what began before the first cause we always end up with a logical contradiction, because there cannot be any before the first cause, particularly if that first cause is the only reason cause and effect exists. Either something came from nothing, or whatever there was before causality (God) had to causally create causality, which He could only do if causality already existed.

Yet intuitively, or logically, we recognize that causality cannot explain the creation of what is. Either causality has no beginning, or it had a beginning, either way we have no rational explanation for how either of these could occur or be. Which is just to say we have no causal explanation for how causality came into being.

A final possibility, however, is to look in the one place in which causality and time do not occur, or the ever present Now, and assume causality and time arise from it. But such an explanation would only work if the Now was the same thing as what exists, such that the Now can create whatever it wants by virtue of the fact that everything really is the Now, so that no causal chain is required for an explanation for how the Now creates what appears in the Now by virtue of the fact that, according to this understanding, everything already always is the Now. With such an explanation, we could then return to theories like the Big Bang without the problem of something coming out of nothing occuring. By this definition, then, the Now would be another word for God.

Answer 2

A creator does not require to be created, it can be the first cause.


Let me explain this:

In the entire universe, we are under the rules of cause and effect. Everything that happens, has an equal and opposite reaction. Clouds become storms, animals make babies, and elements interact.

The big bang is the beginning of the universe, and universe is defined as "everything" physical. There is no "outside" the universe.

If you study the big bang and the laws of singular, you realize that there was a point in the big bang where the laws of cause and effect broke down. 2 +2 didn't equal four anymore. There was a mathematical irrationality. Things could arise from nothing. i.e.--possible creation.

You theory holds true that everything that exists in the universe needs a cause, but only if the scientific law of cause and effect holds true. And you are assuming there was a law of cause and effect at the conception of the universe.

Answer 3

IF there is a creator, it created itself. i dont think so though.

so what was there before the beginning? wrong question. there is no such thing as before the beginning.. no space and no time to exist in. it began with the beginning. there is no way to reach beyond that. not even in concept.

do i wonder about it? obvioulsy :) not too much anymore, i figured it out so far, and only the occasional new idea makes me reconsider and either incorporate it into my image of the world, or discard it. what i figured out is that my limited experience allows me to imagine, even calculate spaces 'beyond' space, i have not a shred of an idea how it might actually be like. or if such a thing even exists at all. being terminally bound to our own kind of space, the point is moot anyway.

how it makes me feel? smug. ;)

what it does NOT make me feel is insignificant or small or anything... i live in the happy knowlwdge, that in all of the universe as i experience it, the most important thing is me. hell... maybe i AM the whole universe... as far as i can tell for certain, i might be dreaming all of you up... not that i harbor any such view... but still... I am the center of MY world.

apart from that... i just try to stay curious.

Answer 4

The universe exists within a hyperspace matrix that itself is composed of organized information, and if you believe some psychics, a loving Intelligence. As information can never be created or destroyed, there is no need for a Creator for the Creator. He literally always was, and always will be, there.

Answer 5

I'm a Christian, so I believe that God is the Creator, and that He simply always was, and always will be. It's a difficult concept to wrap one's mind around- Someone with no beginning and no end- but that's my firm belief. It only makes me feel awe and wonder when I think about it, though I do feel very tiny.

Answer 6

The problem is that we do not know what was there before the beginning. If we knew, the world would be a very different place because religion would be proved or disproved. There are many things that could have been there before us, even a previous universe (because how do we know if we are the first ones to "exist"). Like you, I would love to know for certain how it all started. Unfortunaltely, more than likely, we both will leave this world not knowing for sure.

Answer 7

Aguru, dont you get upset when people keep calling you Honey? I believe that your point is valid, since creation theory implies that anything complex requires a creator. As to what came before the beginning: I believe that anyone who can explain it is a liar, be they an atheist, christian or anyone, there are some things that we just cannot explain, and probably never will.

Answer 8

Before the beginning there was a darkness a void, no form. There dwelt, what we all seem to not understand, today.
The Spirit of God.
From that lonely Spirit came God.
The rest you may find in the Manuel of life.
The Bible's beginning called, Genesis.
God is the Alpha and the Omega.
God bless us all...

Answer 9

I thought why does this question keeps haunting me?

I am happy to hear that others onboard too :)

the world is full of uncertainities, but i can say with certainity that this is one question, nobody will be able to answer for sure.

My take: i think the 'creator' simply existed for 'him/her' no begining or no end. This is the simple answer which helps me to go to sleep, any other possibilities will be sleepless nights.

Answer 10

The Original Sun