Do Liberal Democrats cause our troops to feel foolish and disrespected and thereby destroy their morale?

Question

farkas419----Isn't that what they say over and over again?
That's how they kill morale over and over again.

GARY F---No he's not the criminal.
Perhaps, you are.

CHAMP---I agree w/ what you say, but I can't help thinking that if politics were not involved, you would be blaming Muslim extremists for those problems.

KENT M---I like your answer.You seem sincere and intelligent'
However I still believe you should be blaming a cowardly yet stubborn enemy who hides his face behind women and children.
Wouln't you be fed up w/ this regardless of partsan politics?

Neddie___You're a storehouse of useless information.
How can anyone respond to such a disjointed basket of B.S.

You've given too much time to building an amateurish case against Bush rather than trying to help w/ the real problem of combatting a ruthless half-civilized enemy who attacks from behind women and children.

LeAnn---I'm not a religeous man, but God how I wish we had more people like you.
You're certainly a much better man than many of the males answering here.

GARY F---If you truly knew all along that the invasion was a mistake, why didn't you share that knowledge W/ John Kerry or Ted Kennedy or other Dems. who voted for the war?

Both Kerry and Kennedy made statements about how we had to remove Saddam from power.
Please help us by telling all how you plan to bring back the troops & not the terrorists.

GARY--I went to college after military service during the Korean war, and after having worked in industry as a laboror and later as a manager. I was amused at most of those young people who came to college streight from highschool who were learning how to debate w/o first havig real life experiences.
Are you like those young people. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I'm guessing.

" historical analogy or theory of behavioral science" ---are you you really posing a question or trying to impress somebody w/ some pompous crap?

GARY F--- Sorry. After reading your comment I have to admit I really misjudged you.You sound much better qualified than I am in dealing w/ this issue.I really hope you're right.

KENT M---I'm really impressed w/ some of the answers I've received, and I feel releived to learn that all Democrats are not dreamy idealists.
Good answer. It's going to be hard to pick the best one.

Answer 1

No, Bush has taken care of that. He is responsible for the deaths and ruined lives of innocent Iraqis and dedicated American military personnel. He is a war criminal against his own country.

J R -

He is in violation of the Republican party's own legislation. Having laws removed from the books does not make him innocent.

Besides, can you provide one single piece of evidence (including historical analogy or theory of behavioral science) that would suggest the invasion of Iraq was not a stupid idea doomed to failure like everyone with any knowledge of the region predicted? I did not think so.

Bush, as a result of his policies may be responsible for the death of 10s of millions Americans, As an ardent supporter, that puts all of that innocent blood on your hands as well. So, I guess you can be a criminal as well as ignorant of things important.

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Alex B. Ph.D. -

That is so funny. Even when you first get one, no one claims a PhD as a source, and i don't know anyone who uses it unless it is required (say, when knocking down a bunch of NSF and NOAA grants).

Is that an honorary from Geek State, possibly in Nerdology?

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J R –

It is a deadly serious question and fundamental to the whole endeavor. No one has offered any justification for thinking the plan was workable other than wanting it to and blind acceptance that the neocons who developed the plan for restructuring the Middle East are as smart as they think they are.

In fact, it is the little gang of neocons’ experience you and others should be questioning. They dismiss all the social sciences out of hand yet consider themselves qualified to manipulate one of the most volatile and unstable regions on earth. I am unaware of any Middle East expert who gave the plan better than a 50 percent chance of realizing success on any level (and there were very few who were that optimistic). Implementing the neocons’ plan with no more certainty than a coin-toss seems at best a little irresponsible.

Colin Powell knew it. That was the point of his pottery barn analogy. And, it’s not just the geography we are now responsible for, it is also all the consequences that follow. Bush senior also knew and states so in his book A World Transformed :

•"To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us, and make a broken tyrant a latter-day Arab hero. It would have taken us way beyond the imprimatur of international law bestowed by the resolutions of the Security Council, assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war. It would only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability and destroy the credibility we were working so hard to reestablish."

Removing Saddam was not the end of the war, but the beginning. How do you stop 25 million people who are determined to have a civil war? In the long run you cannot. In the short run you do what Hussein did, hold them down with brutal force. You will know that the civil war is really going when the Kurds start to be annialated. The only thing that will unite the Shi’a and Sunni will be a temporary alliance to kill the Kurds and reclaim the northern oil fields. And, any kind of real or semi-Kurdish state is out of the question because Turkey will never allow in on their border. Syria would like to see the Kurds all dead also. And then there is the Iranian presence.

Leaving Iraq will not be the factor that brings terrorist here. They will do that in their own time anyway. What being there has and is costing us is the intelligence information necessary to intercept those future attempts. If we have no friends, do you really think we will get all the information we really need? Immediately after 9/11, Syria and Iran both provided valuable information pinning the attack on OBL and tracking him to Afghanistan. I seriously doubt we can expect that kind of cooperation again any time soon.

Not that I have their ear, but the Democrats are pathetic weenies who cannot win a election when it is handed to them on a platter. They do not even know when they are right, and it would not matter because they would fold under pressure anyway. Kerry only got the nomination by default because everyone else bailed out when Bush was popular. I say a pox on both political houses and really believe that America works best when the government is gridlocked. I think the rest of us would be fine if the government did nothing but get out of our way.

Answer 2

If their morale is low it's because they could be killed at any moment by a roadside bomb, they don't know who the enemy is, many innocents are being killed and they can't even treat injured Iraqis, they are sent in for multiple tours even at age 40 and above. The "whack a mole" strategy is useless. Many generals who served over there are sick over the Iraq mess.

Their ,morale may be less because they are the ones who pay for a messed up foreign policy.

IN ANSWER TO THE ABOVE: If a democrat had gotten us into a quagmire, I would still think it was a mess...I think John Kennedy got us involved in Vietnam...I was 18 when the draft ended, growing up for 10 years knowing people who died over there, I thought for certain my fate was to die there too. I wasn't afraid...just fatalistic about it. Then we had to leave with nothing to show for 60, 000 dead-- other than the hope, that somehow the Russians had learned their lesson for helping the Viet Cong..which is stupid. But don't misunderstand my position...we can't run from this. we must keep a presence there, at least on the horizon. I guess my point is that the President can't win this with his party alone...he needs to step away from the partisanship and address this so that a Democrat like me can believe that all is being done and the real reason we are there. I don't want this to turn into a fiasco like Vietnam. In today's world you can't order American's to go to war, we must believe is a good fight.

Answer 3

HMR, you have opened a can on this one. After viewing all of the answers I see that the left outs, are crying a sad tune. Now you know Green Beret, Not one of these folks has a clue about what is going on in that country. They all think they do. But they are only pontificating, what the dems way of life for a better America, wants them to spew. See they have very short memories. They forget the folks in the twin towers. They forget that to within a fraction the entire congress voted to go into this fight. They forget that up to this last vote. these same dems are supporting the fight with funding. They say they support the troops, there full of obama. They say they stand for America, there full of Obama. They wouldn't stand for a thing unless it had a bow tied around it, and it was a gift. Every US Military person in the Sand is defending your Freedoms right here at home. They just don't want to admit it. Have any of the socialist wanna be marxist stepped on a IED lately. Have any of them had 12 yr old walk onto a bus, utter allah im on my way, and blow brain parts all over the street. No they haven't. Have any of them been braced by bad guy who's only thought is to gut em like pig. No they haven't. See as long as there lives are not affected, and the war is so far removed from them. they don't have the reality zone plugged in. See this generation is so desensitized , unless there direct relation was blown to rat crap. they could care less. But then that is what the schools have turned out for the past 20 years. Selfish little malcontents, that only worry about what is in it for me. Obama force feeds them this socialistic BS. He is there ticket on the gravy train. Damn shame. I support the men and woman. I support the Mission. I support any American who does the same. I have to support the men and woman who don't I have to support there ideals Its only because I have sworn to uphold the constitution, the weak and infirmed , The lost and demoralized, The followers and none leaders. Why because they are part' of this way of life we call America. damn sure isn't by choice. This July 4th when you light the firecracker off, and wave the flag, remember those that stand the front lines, of all the fights past and present.

Answer 4

I can personally report that any anti-war rhetoric is disgusting - the troops are trying their best to protect the same idiots who are protesting our efforts to rid the world of Islamic radicals.
I have to believe that when these dirt bags see a divided nation - they also see a weakened enemy with little or no resolve. You can bet as long as they see this, they will continue to use their tactics of terror and murder - and why not? - they think the tactics are working.
They have essentially defeated Spain, and France isn't too far behind.
Their tactics of the indiscriminate murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children - all for a demented ideology - deserve nothing short of total defeat - and certainly doesn't deserve any support or sympathy of ANY American - irregardless of his or her political affiliation.
Of course the anti-war rhetoric has an effect on the troops. I rationalized my tour of duty in Viet Nam at the time by truly believing the United States was a better country than a lot of the people living in it deserved. I still believe that - and they're proving it again.

Answer 5

are you referring to the troops in the military from the Clinton Administration that Republicans call depleted, and unprepared,, the troops on duty when the terrorists attack NY and the Pentagon in VA, while the president sat in a school chair for 20 minutes before he even acknowledged that the second plane had hit the WTC,, the troops in Afghanistan fighting the legitimate war,, and in Iraq fighting and dying for a George W Bush lie to invade the country,,, are you aware that Bush cut military spending,, one of his first acts as president was to make cuts in the missile defense program,,, look it up,,, and wouldn't you know,, while Bush was asleep at the wheel again,, DPRK obtained nuclear weapons,,,

God bless the US troops and their service to America

Answer 6

Your assumption that opposition to a plethora of neo-con wet dream "wars" is somehow tantamount to making volunteer individuals second-guess their "service" is laughable.

While active, I can readily report that actual active duty individuals did not cry themselves to sleep at night obsessing over liberal straw-man fantasies projected by chicken-hawks like yourself whose own inferiority complexes invariably force them to use absurd caricatures of military individuals to use as a proxy backdrop for their own failures in life which they readily wish to blame on imaginary straw-man "liberal democrats" which in reality are so few if at all as to render your entire question irrelevant within the reality-based community.

Answer 7

The soldiers cannot speak out while they are in uniform, I think that their morale is damaged by extension of their tours. Imagine living through that hell for twelve months and when you thought you were going home, being told that your tour was extended? Many of these soldiers were National Guard and reserves, they are not professional soldiers.

Answer 8

Yes, liberals will do all they can to ridicule our troops, harm the war effort, split the American public, turn us against each other, and support 'toleration' of muslim extremism because its 'their choice'. Libs...americans, or the true terrorists?

Answer 9

Yes.

Answer 10

Their attitude towards the war & President Bush, would give them a sense of not being appreciated, which would in turn cause a low morale,