Being gay by choice or by birth issue....?

Question

The prologue: OK, we have many people coming here and asking or debating on whether we are born gay or we made a choice.
Not all of them are bigots, some people didnt have the opportunity to ask someone or get educated. And most of them back their comments (of it being a choice) using the "researches" of psychologists and scientists.
The question: Isn't it obvious that these "psychologists" have their own agendas? I mean, when you start a research it is going to head one way if you are biased in the first place. I am pretty sure that they start their research thinking: "OK, I think it is a choice so I will try to prove it". And obviously you can interpret the results according to your opinion and not the facts. I am sure that they dont start with the "lets see what makes someone gay" mentality.
What do you think?

"Psychologists" and "scientists" in the past, tried to prove that black people are not as intelligent as white people, and that children coming from poor families are not as smart as children coming from royal or rich families..I am sure it would be as easy to follow their theory...if you are THAT ignorant. Of course they were proven wrong lately and people with their own agendas manipulated the results.

Joey K, no...apparently you didnt even bother to read the question. Or you didnt understand it. I meant educated by gay people concerning the gay lifestyle. Not college educated...

Also, I am aware that this goes both ways. I am pretty sure that people out there are researching with similar biased ways trying to prove that we ARE born thast way and their agendas include gay people or gay infuenced people not basing their thories on facts but their opinions..I disagree with that also, although it works on my behalf, but I want to see proper researches on what causes it, done by unbiased people with neutral opinions on this rather delicate matter. Its not difficult to foresee the results of a Republican psychologist and a gay psychologist accordingly.

For those of you who are BIASED already and think that I try to say that it is not a choice, you either dont read carefully or you spent your youth picking potatoes and feeding the mules, than learning english.
I say that I want a proper research to be done. That ******** all...It could be biological it could be a choice. Not a consious one, for that I am certain. Unless if all gays made a secret promise to lie about their sexuality, globaly....

Answer 1

Being gay is a social phenomenon. It's not psychological, it's not physiological, it's not chemical, it's not genetic. It just happens to be. Therefore, for research and evidence, you need anthropology and sociology. Anyone who has taken enough courses in the discipline of cultural anthropology knows that it is merely a social phenomenon that shows up randomly. Evidence has shown that people don't choose to be gay, that it happens.

Look, scientists can research anything they want, but their system can be flawed and myopic. That's why when you're dealing with human beings, it's better to just use your test subjects: homosexuals. What do the homosexuals have to say? They were born that way.

The End.

Answer 2

my feeling that may have no facts
we are all born bisexual
and we learn or choose to be straight or gay
with the society determine weather it is allowed or not
most homosexuals and straight at some point in there live ask them self what there true feelings are
look at some of the questions we get here
i think i am gay but i lie the girl
or i think i am attracted to a guy
but is that wrong as i am a guy too ?
these questions are what most of us think as we only know it to be wrong because that is what we are taught
if they world did not have history would there even be a problem right now?

the only reason homosexuality is seen as wrong in the main stream is because of religion and what people have brain washed each other over time.

think about this it you went back in time and told a pope a king or the population
that the color green should never be worn as it the color of the devil or it will make it never rain again or something like that
would we now be fighting for the right to wear the color green.
as many things / believes are past over in time
one generation to the next
so i think we are all born bisexual and we choose to be gay or straight

Answer 3

I really like this question, because I like your view on Homosexuality and what this sexual orientation entrails. I believe that being gay can differ from person to person. I used to work in the travel industry, in which I met a lot of gay and bisexual men - who I am very good friends with. A large majority of these men believe that they where born that way, they have never had sex or even sexual thoughts about a woman, it seems wrong to them because they are not that way inclined. However few men have sexual lust for both woman and men, this of course is a choice, but attraction again cannot be helped, so is it really choice?

Answer 4

There is some scientific evidence that points to the fact SOME people are attracted to the same sex by electrical brain discharges. The some concept for hetersexuality, only the orientation is different. This one is bio-chemistry, biophysics.

Now, ANYONE say bunk better also say bunk to everything else scientific including Evolution, because the amount of evidence is probably more conclusive for gay at a bio-chemistry brain choice than there is to support man from apes!

I have also talked with a few gay people and they told me they knew who they liked (and they likes same sex) by the age of 5 or 6.

Science says all children get their sexual identity and social behavior patterns by the age of 6. This one is Psychology of Sociology.

Real world example. It's thanksgiving day and you eat a whole bunch of White Meat turkey and quickly start to feel drowsey

Why? Turkey enzimes trigger off triptophenes from your brain, which is a natural sedative.

There is a center in both men and women, a different center, that controls the human attraction and sexual response. This is wher eyou make eye contact with a "desirable" object (person) and biochemicls are dumped into the body and collect on the brain.

These aspects put you on the edge, give you an erection, goosebumps. The greater the attraction the greater the reaction.

In some homosexuals studied with CAT scans different areas of the brain were set into play than those of heterosexuls.

Far from being conclusive, but there is a different in the collection point for certain chemicals during the arousal process.

Now, this does not count of all gays.

Some have hetero reponces but chose to become gay in teenage or later years for various reasons.

As for the reasons you'd have to talk to those who made the choice and ask them why.

Does something magically make on gay, I tend to think no.

It becomes a habit. Maybe at a young age who are to insecure to partner up with the opposite sex or live in an environment that does not make it easy, but you have access to the same sex and you end up "fooling" around and find it pleasurable.

Here is become bi-sexual and don't think anything of it. It's comfortable, natural, you're used to doing it for months or years.

Girls often get tired of having a man over them everynight and sometimes seek out safer, more gentler intimacy partners.

There there are the overweight, the acne scared who have a very tough time scoring with the opposite sex but an easier time getting intamcy and releif with the same sex.

It is a estalbished fact that GAY people are more sex and intamcy oriented. They do the singles bars thing regularly and don't always care about names. It is well known sexual activies go on in the bath rooms at gay bars.

These things don't happen as widely in hetero bar environments, largely because girls say NO quite easily (hence a reason for a man in need to seek same sex for relief who won't say no).

Girls are also quite picky. Very picky at times.

YOu will almost never find sex going on in straight clubs bathrooms.

It would be interesting to see what a "wild card" would have on the socio-sexual environment if, say, prostitution became legal and cheap.

Would it have a lessening effect on bi-sexuality or homosexuality? Would it have a lessening effect on girls who say NO.

Girls know most other girls are just as savvy as they are and the "sluts" are few.

Now, when a guy says, screw this scene I'll go out and buy it for $20 will that have a psychological effect on girls.

They are the first to oppose prostitution, usually with that fabrication about "self estime" and "degrading to women" yet these same girls end up having a dozen bed partners by the time they are 30 years old. Sort of a double standard here.

Girls expect a nice night on the town, dinner, a movie, danacing. A good $100 fun time in exchange for the sex.

This is where a lot of gay sex differs. There is often no expectation of a night on the town. YOu meet out on the town and then go somehwere to have fun.

There's still no committement, no honesty and in many instances no intimacy. The guy just wants to get some.

It's amazing how many hetro guys think girls are disposable.

Answer 5

I think you're right about the researchers. I've based my opinion on observation. Two of my friends I grew up with are gay. I always thought there was something different about them even when I was little. After I found out that both of them were gay, that explained it for me. I know someone will say that even as small children, they were making a choice, but I don't think at 5, in 1969, they would have even had a clue as to what gay was.

Answer 6

I believe gay people were born gay. (I also believe that even heterosexuals at some time during their lives were attracted to someone of the same sex. But that they never followed through). Gay people have been around since the beginning of time. No one knows why that is true but it is. However, God allowed them to be born and to become a part of society no matter their sexual preference. I guess He knew what he was doing.
On the other hand, I am aware of man and his never ending quest to create life. We are all aware of invitro, fertility pills, etc. With that in mind, I would suggest that some scientist, some genius if you will, has chanced upon some combination of genes, quirk of nature, etc. and discovered a way to 'create'[ even more "gay people". It may sound far fetched, but it could also be true.
In the interim, I repeat that I believe gays are born that way.

Answer 7

How do you identify a gay child? Some of those that are suspect are in the gender dysphoria area, but that isn't the same as homosexuality, it is a gender identity problem--unless homosexuals want to admit to having a gender identity problem, but then they would have to back off a bit.

The only way to identify a homosexual child is after a child molestation, which can be either hetero or homosexual in nature, but if it wasn't a heterosexual event then when the gays begin asking "Are you one too?" instead they assert, "Then you are one too." That isn't "from birth", that is opportunistic salesmanship for an unfortunate soul.

The appearance of homosexuality is made at adolescence, recruiting efforts by the more experienced homosexuals excluded. When males begin identifying other males as their erotic preference or females begin identifying other females as their erotic preference, that is when homosexuality is formed and realized.

Effiminate children? Hardly.

Answer 8

I think you are right. if "research" starts with someone who is biased in the first place, I'm sure they will only focus on whatever will prove their own biased opinion.
same thing as you mentioned with people trying to prove blacks are less intelligent, or that those from poor families are less intelligent. if you're a bigot in the 1st place, you'll disregard anything that would contradict your bigoted beliefs. good point made!

Answer 9

That's true, people will almost always solely be interested in things that prove their point, not disprove it or cast doubt on it. I myself, however, believe the best way to debate something is to actually reserach a lot about what the opponents think, and try to see things from their point of view, then focus on a way to cast doubt on their arguments. Only by understanding your opponent will you have the chance to either win the debate or at least arrive at a stale mate.

Answer 10

I think that everyone that is gay or turned out to be gay was born that way.I think some went through with it since birth,while others tried to live a different lifestyle,trying not to let parents,friends,family down,and once they get older they realize in order to be happy-they have to be true to theirselves.With me it's choice to be in a lesbian relationship-i was not like this in my younger years,but like i said maybe i was and didn't know yet or wasn't acting on it-anyway i know now who and what i am,and i don't hate myself for it!