Assume that the girls wearing these two outfits are wearing them as a matter of personal choice, and haven't been coerced into wearing them. Both outfits include a veil that covers at least part of the face.
If you could ban one of them, which would you choose? And why?
Here is Outfit A:
http://lexikon.freenet.de/images/de/thumb/e/e8/Woman_walking_in_Afghanistan.jpg/345px-Woman_walking_in_Afghanistan.jpg
and here is Outfit B:
http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00076RFQY.01-A39B6LAYBCL5SI._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V50551368_.jpg
2006-10-20 08:02:59 · 24 answers · asked by Anonymous in News & Events ➔ Current Events
Seems like my 'target audience' aren't online at the moment. You people are all just too pleasant! I suspect most of you are american as well.
In the U.K. there is a current controversy (largely fueled by some less than wise comments by Tony Blair) about wearing of veils. They have been labelled a 'mark of seperation' and a 'barrier', and these descriptions are now seen to have official endorsement.
My view is the same as most people posting here so far - I wouldn't try to stop anyone wearing what they want to wear. But there are a lot of people over here posting on Y!A lately saying that wearing of veils should be banned.
I noticed that most of the pro-ban people seemed to be male, so I wondered if they would find a veil-wearing woman wearing provocative clothing on her body somehow more acceptable than a woman who was fully veiled....and wondered how they could reconcile this with the ostensible justification for their arguments that veils are a barrier to communication.
2006-10-20 08:28:20 · update #1
I may try posting this again on Monday morning....try to catch the office workers!
2006-10-20 08:30:32 · update #2
I wonder, when armed robbers walk into a bank, do they voluntarily take off their crash helmets or balaclavas because they aren't allowed to wear them in the bank? How effective is this rule in actually stopping real criminals?
2006-10-20 08:36:50 · update #3
muralman, you say that in this country people need to be able to see each other's faces in order to communicate. But I routinely communicate with people without being able to see their face. I use a thing called a 'telephone'. You should try it sometime!
And there ARE people saying that veils should be banned in general, not merely in certain occupations or situations:
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AtLAVOaQ4FgvKzGHIRmaeZAgBgx.?qid=20061020074326AAGSKK3
2006-10-20 08:44:38 · update #4
Mickmacey, I AM a bloke, actually.
You seem terribly angry about all this. I can't quite see your point, to be honest. You seem to be complaining that the veil the learning support assistant in the recent court case is wearing is not worn by her all the time, and as such is not a religious garment. You then say that it therefore has no place in society.
So, from this, I can only deduce that the only sort of garment you approve of people wearing is some kind of religious garment, that is worn all the time.
Are you a monk, by any chance?
This posting isn't in defence of that woman, by the way. I am mainly addressing this at people who feel that women should be banned from wearing veils, period. I have encountered quite a few people airing this view on Yahoo! Answers over the past couple of days. I'm curious to know whether those people who wanted to ban the veil entirely find it quite so abhorrent when worn with scanty clothing.
2006-10-20 10:20:06 · update #5
Neither, I'll have an outfit A for those 'just feel like hiding myface days' and avoiding those wolf whistling builders days and a B for the days I just feel like dancing, please! Only joking, but seriously all the current debate is doing is widening the divide, surely thats divisive too.
Anyway how about banning this one? !:
http://www.weddingdresseshq.co.uk/wp-content/weddingphotos/ElizabethToddOpheliaWeddingDress.jpg
2006-10-20 08:24:10 · answer #1 · answered by kali.mama 2 · 2⤊ 1⤋
There a re certain jobs/situations where the veil should not be allowed. I watched the comonwealth games in Manchester and muslim girls seemed very happy in shorts and a t shirt and there were more men than women in the audience. Also, I wouldn't want to see these clothes worn at the gym. Whatever these people want to wear in their personal lives is entirely up to them but when you are part of a group that has rules - dress code or whatever - then I'm afraid they have to be adhered to.
2006-10-21 06:10:12 · answer #2 · answered by Jackie 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
If it wasn`t for the feet on #1 you could mistake it for the invisible man. The whole attire makes the veil more apparent and the garb more unattractive and impersonal. It looks like this person does not want to interact socially. In #2 however you`re not really focusing on the veil so much are you? In fact it makes the whole outfit more sexy. I`d completely ban #1 and keep the veil on #2.
2006-10-20 17:33:14 · answer #3 · answered by The BudMiester 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Its not the banning of the outfit that causes such controversy, its the covering of the face. In this country communication between two or more people requires observation of facial expressions between those participating
in conversing with each other.
For security purposes visual I.D of a persons face is essential in sensitive areas. If a person goes into a bank
they are asked to remove crash helmet, because of
Robbery.
2006-10-20 15:32:49 · answer #4 · answered by muralman 1 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Is your aim to discover what we think about veils, or to have a pop at blokes? Firstly, if a bloke used your images to make this so called point he would be called sexist, by you i suspect. Secondly, the veil wearer, very often is made to wear the veil by men who have not yet learned how to respect women. The koran does not tell its female muslim followers to wear such an item. there men do. Lastly, the teacher who was suspended for wearing a veil in front of innocent 7 year olds, too young to understand its demeaning nature, did not wear the veil when she went for her well paid job interveiw. This speaks volumes. It proves she wears it when and how she likes, NOT all the time as she claims. The veil IS NOT A RELIGOUS GARMENT! And as such has no place in our world, where we value and respect our wives.
The question asks that we assume both women are wearing it as a matter of choice, As the koran does not mention veils(i learnt this from goerge galloways talksport prog) we can only assume ALL wearers are being made to wear them. With this in mind, your scantily clad picture has no bearing on the other. Which would you actually ban??? And yes, im fairly angry that young children are facing sights of this nature at such an early age. What do you think it does to a young child who has been brought up in a civilised world, seeing this???
And as for monks, they enter a monestry of thier own free will. They choose to wear the garments they do, by CHOISE. They are not forced to wear one, against thier wishes, or thier faith. As i said, the koran never mentions veils, Insecure muslim men dreampt them up
2006-10-20 17:03:14 · answer #5 · answered by ? 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Personally I'd rather see a ban on boys wearing their jeans down to their knees with their butt crack hanging out! Oh I'm sorry, that wasn't part of the question. If I HAD to choose one or two, I'd ban #1 because this person is not recognizable and could commit any crime or be a man or woman and no one would ever really know. Too much of a good thing can be bad.
2006-10-20 15:28:36 · answer #6 · answered by sistervoodoo2 2 · 4⤊ 0⤋
im sorry if this offends anyone but its my personal opinion,
firstly b is an act so therefore its not too bad but wouldnt wanna see it all the time and as for a i dont think it should be banned all together but certainly in certain places and occupations.
i personally am intimidated by this dress wear and quote me if im wrong but this is not actually part of the religion so therefore why is it allowed in some places of work and schools but yet a christian is not allowed to show thier 'beliefs' by wearing a small cross pendant.
but anyway i didnt want to offend anyone cuz the main reason i dont like a, is because of a personal opinion.
2006-10-20 19:23:17 · answer #7 · answered by only me 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
you know this is a catch 22, so hats off to this question! i will give you a thumbsup when i am done the response.
i think i would ban number one -- only because it looks absolutely miserable to me. in the culture appropriate environment i supose there is nothing wrong with it, but i am glad to be an american after seeing that.
number 2 was provocative and i would hate to see woman dressing like that all of the time, but at least it had a little style and didn't seem so constricting.
2006-10-20 15:14:24 · answer #8 · answered by don't be rude. 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well, A is a pretty blue. Which I like. It is also in a desert country which means that the wearer is protected from sandstorms. So it's appropriate.
B - the veil covers her face - it's part of an act.
I wouldn't ban either if I knew that the wearer was willingly wearing it and not because of pressure or some weird religious pressure.
2006-10-20 15:16:35 · answer #9 · answered by True Blue Brit 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Think I'd have to go with the first one!
The second is a little inappropriate (unless you are a stripper!)and I am sure the poor lady would get too cold in this climate and especially at this time of year.
Winter's coming!
I also like the blue, very pretty and much better than the regulation black!
2006-10-20 15:09:20 · answer #10 · answered by beflihippy 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋