For those who are supporting the death of Habeas Corpus, couldn't the agrument appply to any law?

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I've heard people defend the new law which suspends habeas corpus. The only argument I've heard is that it is for our safety and it doesn't matter as long as you aren't a terrorist. I've heard, as long as you aren't a terrorists, then it doesn't effet you. But couldn't this apply to any civil rights they take away? If they made a law saying they would arrest anyone who used anti-American speech. It would be your right to free speech being taken away, but you would say "as long as you aren't anti-American, it doesn't effect you." And if they took away the right to bear arms to anyone who they considered against America. So in the end, you arrest anyone who doesn't agree with you, and this is not what America is about. I would like to see another argument in support of Habeas Corpus. I can understand if your agrument is that it makes us safer, but then please admit that it is at the cost of our liberties.

katjha2005: This is not an invasion or a rebellion. Calling it an invasion of public safety is a cop-out. The term invasion was used in the sense that an enemy shows up and wages war on American soil. And you know this. The terrorists have not invaded our country. They have attacked, but not invaded.

Answer 1

The republicans on this will not give you an intelligible answer.

However, yes it applies to ALL Americans here and abroad. If they happen to label you a terrorist they can hold a trial without you being present...hence the Habeas Corpus (present the body).

They can put you away in a secret prison, torture you, and hold you forever or even kill you and no one will ever know.

So once identified as a terrorist you are stripped of you Constitutional rights.

Answer 2

How can all but fools and the addle minded believe that this is meant for our safety.
Anyone with an ounce of functioning grey matter between his or her ears should realize this is more of a threat then terrorists will ever pose .
It goes beyond the amount of deaths that terrorists can cause ,and the feelings of anxciety ,to a level of control and forced dosciltity among all the people ,that is in-consistant with a free people .
Not to be able to express one's thoughts ,and feelings ,and be free from a government that can arrest and detain, with out publicly charging and supporting those accusations is criminal to say the least .
By allowing an exception in these times poses a much greater threat to America then any foriegn entity could ever hope to accomplish .
The silencing in effect of a free people and the control of the masses has the same effect that terrorists want .
This control leads to the weakist minded peole allowing the fears they hold to become law .No man should have sex with a woman he is not married to .No man take what is not his possetion .You will pay tribute to your leaders .
These religions that kill and mame and attack without provocation do so in a conservative effort to roll back reality .Like woman are second class people .That a man can have many wifes but a woman only one man .This is a male dominated society that terrorists come from and in america it is the evangelicals who follow close behind in womans real rights .
Hard working men who drive trucks and farm land keep woman far from any type of society that allows woman freedom .
Some men controll waht shows the woman can watch in this day and age .
I am amazed all the time with what i learn and see that people are doing .
Look around and talk to people who have found the courage to get out of these God driven male dominated abusive social community's .
I can not stress the danger such laws now posse to the security and future of our nation .
We have elected idiots to lead us and we will suffer the fate of these fools till we accept we must change things once and for all .

Answer 3

The law is pretty specific and limited in its application, so all this 'sky is falling' nattering is much ado about nothing. There is absolutely no way this law can be twisted so much that even an egregious idiot like Cindy Sheehan would be affected. So don't get your panties all knotted up.

Some of the so-called 'greatest' presidents - e.g. Lincoln, FDR - were some of the worst offenders of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. FDR created concentration camps for Americans of Japanese origin and forcibly removing them from their homes and businesses, which they lost. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, used Army troops to prevent the Maryland legislature from voting for secession, imprisoned political opponents, etc.

What this law does is treat any enemy combatant the same, preventing their ability to learn our intelligence sources and methods, and limiting their ability to appeal.

This does not attack general civil rights - it does not have the scope. And nobody, especially conservative Republicans, is willing to allow government any more power than necessary. And I have no faith that the current neo-Dem party cares one whit for peoples' rights - they have not proven this in the least.

Answer 4

in the United States Constitution, which says, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." (Article One, section nine).
Terrorism is an invasion of Public Safety and Rebellion... read up a bit.. you might learn something

edit: that's seriously your argument... are you kidding me??? I mean seriously

Answer 5

I think you answered your own question pretty much. These are dark days for America and the ironic thing is that most of the US public doesn't even seem to care. Does the US even have an educational system anymore?

Answer 6

yes sir.....

so the truth broke through... and all who were brainwashed felt anger towards you...

...RIP....2006......