Why do people try to defend socialism?

Question

Socialism is not only ineffective, but it is immorale. The reason countries like Sweden can afford to be socialist is that they know big brothers like America will keep them from getting wedgies and their milk money stolen. Isn't the phrase "To those who need from those who can" the big socialist motto? Well if I can, what does that have to do with you needing. Find a way to get it for yourself. It is the same concept as me living next to a rich guy with a mansion. He has a Ferrari. He can have it. I think I need it. Shouldn't I be able to go drive it around? Oh wait...thats the same as stealing, which is what socialism it. If you can not find a way to make a good life for yourself...your problem not mine. Maybe you should have put down the joint in high school and payed attention.

Answer 1

What are you ranting about? It's immoral to provide free public school for children. It's immoral to have a government run Social Security program. It's immoral to provide food to the children of disavantaged families.
You're out of your head if you think that is immoral. There are no other social programs that exist in this country. The only other one the Democrats are pushing is national health care. Although in theory that may be a good idea, in practice most of us agree it won't work.
You seem to be upset with people who are expecting a free ride. I got news for you. We all are. You need to drop this notion of yours the America is moving toward socialism. That's a lame idea.

Answer 2

I don't think you understand what is happening in American politics and this is no slam towards you.
If taxpayers pay into a system, I believe that the government should support the taxpayer in times of need, since they support the government.

It is impossible to get ahead these days with student loans, including pell grants being cut and not given to even the poorest of students who would like to go to college. Then college tuition has inflated and increased to at least 70% over the last four years.

How can the middle class afford that? Don't you see that the government is trying to control who reaches the top and gets themselves out of poverty?

Most people today work more than two jobs just to make it, and this includes single parents. Yes, there are some who would rather be societal drop outs and not work. But there is such a thing as the "working poor" who are working and not getting ahead no matter how hard they try.

And with illegal immigration draining our system, prices are going up for healthcare, food, and most of the working poor who need governmental help can't get it because immigrants are getting it and the poverty level has not been raised in years.

Answer 3

They defend socialism because they believe that capitalism is unfair. Despite the benefits and freedoms offered by capitalism, they believe it is somehow unfair that some people can become rich while others remain poor.

They don't understand that by penalizing the rich, you penalize everyone, because the rich lose their will to continue to create, grow and take risks, because their rewards are capped.

They don't understand that redistributing wealth does not create wealth. Capitalism creates wealth.

They don't understand that over the last 25 years, capitalist countries have had their economies grow by 2 or 3 times as much as the socialist countries, thereby improving everyone's lives.

Fundamentally, they support socialism because they "feel" everyone should be equal and none should excel! So the exceptional achievers must be brought down to the level of everyone else.

PS....to this_one_dude: How are the poor forced to give to the rich? Certainly not through income taxes, because the bottom 50% of income earners pay 3.3% of the federal income taxes. The top 25% pay 85% of the income taxes. Check out the IRS data link below if you need proof.

PPS...the IRS data shows the top 25% earn only 66% of the nations income, but pay 85% of the income taxes. Furthermore, far from getting perks, they usually pay the AMT, which cuts out perks like deductions and credits available to most others. They are not "handed the bulk of the wealth." They earn it, create it and take risks to get it.

Answer 4

Stealing? Why are my tax dollars as a working middle-class American going directly to big rich oil company owners in the form of tax incentives, research grants, and subsidies?? In America we have just the opposite. The people who are in need are forced to give their money to people that already have enough. Do you understand that?

Kevin - I am already aware of that data. The top 25% of the population makes more than 85% of the income mostly through government perks. Of course they pay the bulk of the income taxes because they get handed the bulk of the wealth.

The world is more complex that your small mind seems to be capable of understanding. Do you keep up on SEC scandals and all the various tax loopholes that the rich use? The rich have more power obviously than poor people. And that power means they can bend the rules for their financial benefit. What you may see on the IRS papers doesn't represent what is really going on behind the scenes. Read up on Ken Lay if you need proof.

Answer 5

Unless you are talking about members of the Socialist Party of America, your arguement is irrelevant. Social programs are effective in this country. You cannot truthfully say they should be eliminated. Are charities socialist organizations?
Hardly anyone in our great nation supports Socialism. No one wants a dictator...correct? As a matter of fact the democrats are upset that Bush is the closest to a dictator we have ever had.

Oh. And on a completely unrelated note...this is for the response you gave me for my question. I wanted to tell you that I did do the math.
By killing terrorists, we are not decreasing their numbers. In reality it fuels the hatred and thus new recruitment of insurgents.
I did the math. Did you?

Answer 6

You can`t have pure socialism and we cannot have pure capitalism because both need a leader,president or decider with absolute power to work and American would no longer be a democracy and pure socialism and capitalism cannot have a middle class to survive. What we can have is a country with some capitalistic ideas and some social programs.

Answer 7

It seems like all little kids go through a socialism stage.
They grow out of it, unless they're liberals.
Watch what happens to Western Europe!!!! Because of their Nationalized Health Care System and Socialism, they will all become Third World Banana Republics within 20 years.
They expect us to support them.
We can't be their Mommies forever.
They are just a bunch of little Liberals.
They all want to be cared for without working.
(I bet you get a lot of answers from little commies, who have never worked a day in their pitiful lives.)

Answer 8

I think Kevin gave the best answer. He deserves 20 points for that great explanation. I would have said the same thing.

Answer 9

I read a line from someone last week, i think shiraz.

A republican sees a rich man and says, everyone should have that.
A democrat sees a rich man and says, noone should have that.

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As for people quoting Jesus, and such; I never knew Jesus took things away from others to redistribute them. I thought he was about giving from the heart, not forcing people.

Answer 10

ah - so this isn't really a question as you are an expert on socialism. why are you on yahoo answers if you know why socialism is bad. and if you assume everyone who has a diferent opinion than you is a stoner, why bother at all?

socialism sux, but so do know it alls