Why feminists contradict everything they say?

Question

For example, they say 'we believe in equality,' but will turn around to exclude men from everything else. Anybody else notice this?

For you smartasses: I will be extremely generous with the 'report' option if you utter ANYTHING other than a clear conscise answer free of malice.

Thanks for catching that. Now, I cannot move the question to another section. Dammit!

What I mean is that it's okay to 'protect womens' identities' as an excuse to exclude men from clubs and such, but when men do it, they get sued. No woman has yet to be sued for something like this (in America; I don't live in the UK) I am asking why this is considered okay by society. And I couldn't care less if its 'some' feminists. They all stick together, right? So, they're all responsible. Take the good with the bad.

Answer 1

Honestly I think they are confused souls that don't know what they really want.

Answer 2

Perhaps you can give an example of what you mean by 'excluding men from everything else'...

Personally I think there are a variety of people who consider themselves feminists. Some of them are men. The word itself has been kind of watered down, and the concept put in a 'politically correct' category.

For myself, I think that women should be payed equally to men; they should be allowed to serve in the military or as fire fighters (if they can cut the physical rigors); they should have the final say over their reproductive rights. And, just like men, they should be able to have exclusive clubs that serve as safe havens for their identities. Men exclude women often from such things as bowling teams, or football gatherings.
They may be missing out on something when they do it, but it's their right. Not just as men or women, but as people, which ultimately is what this whole issue is about.

There, I didn't push any wrong buttons on you did I friend?

Answer 3

I think your statement is hasty and uneducated. It's okay for there to be women's groups yet you say that it is an act against equality? No, no, no. There are tons of men only groups (especially in the sports world) and unless they are derogatory and negative, they dont get too much attention. There are more important, essential, human, female rights to fight for (locally and internationally) such as equal rights in terms of justice, voting ect - How much rape and violence goes without prosecution? And your going to disclaim women's motivations and put a red flag on a movement that has taken so many lives and much effort and time? I think you might be thinking of a more extremist group, because feminists do not descriminate, and they're not man haters either. Again, your statement is insulting and ignorant because it is so judgemental, general, and untrue.

Answer 4

You keep being asked to provide an example, allow me. In Canada (not sure in the US) there is a franchise of fitness centres called 'Curves for women'. It is advertised as a place for women to workout within is 'female friendly' environment. Now reverse that ladies and see what happens, a males only gym would not last long, and we all know it. This is but one example but other do exist.

As for excluding men from everything, that's a bit of a stretch.

Now for the ladies who might say I am a chauvinist or some such thing, please note I have 2 sisters in the military (one in Afghanistan) and 1 who is a firefighter. They did not get where they are because they were women but because they met the challenge and standards for the jobs they do. I not only support their choices but am proud that they succeeded. My point being, if a woman is up to the job then so be it, but don't cry 'equality' just for the sake of representation or perceive inequity. Sometimes ladies, you just aren't right for the job.

Answer 5

Well, to start, your question itself isn't completely free from malice as you are starting out with an extremely broad generalization. Feminists don't exclude men from EVERYTHING, as you say, thought they do exclude them from some; just as men still exclude, or try to exclude women from a great many arenas. Women, while finally allowed in the military are still not permitted to hold combat positions while other countries have them serving quite successfully alongside their men.

Some religions prohibit women from serving as pastors and priests. Fights abound with women trying to join military academies. The glass ceiling for women in business is still very real. Women are many times more likely to be raped or beaten by men, be it by spouse or others.

So tell me, what are men excluded from? When was the last time men had to fight for the right to vote? What is the percentage of women holding well-paid engineering jobs? How many are making good money operating heavy equipment, such as cranes?

I'll admit, events such as Women's music festivals typically don't allow men, but men are infiltrating what were once women's careers much faster than the opposite. Lots of male nurses, how many female combat pilots?

Your question is kind of insulting as I don't see any real and important arena where men are prohibited from participating, resulting in any real and tangible loss.

Answer 6

I'm a bit perplexed as I find your posting this in the LGBT catagory a bit of an over generalization and even an assumption that lesbians and feminists are the same thing.

I can assure you, we're not one in the same.

Sure, many lesbians are also feminists, but not all feminists are lesbians.
Also, not all feminists are "anti-male" at all.

Most identifiable Modern Feminist, Gloria Stienhem isn't Anti-Male. She just recently married!



I concider myself to be a feminist as well as a lesbian leaning bisexual, but I certainly do not hate men, nor would I ever dream of excluding them from "everything." (As you put it.)

I do believe in excluding them from decission making as far as a woman's body.
I also have a problem with the predominantly misogonistic society. But I still adore men!
I value their input and ideas. I rely on their body strength and know many men who are emotionally strong as well.

Besides, if it weren't for men, I wouldn't be here. My SON wouldn't be here, my brother or my neices!

I love men, I'm just not interested in having one in my bed...right now.

Hope this helps.... ;)

Answer 7

I consider myself a feminist, but I also believe there's quite a bit of validity to what you say....for example, a lot of my feminist friends talk about equality for women, but I seriously doubt if the option became available that they'd be waiting in line to register for the draft or be on the front lines in the infantry division during this war.

Answer 8

Most of the self proclaimed feminists that I have met seem to be so focused on protecting their own rights that they are partially blind to everything else -- including the effect that they are having on others. It is the price of passion (or the price of prejudice, if you prefer). Most of them seem to believe so strongly that the whole world is against them, that they are immune to any sort of reason in the areas dealing with their most cherished anti-male, pro-female beliefs, like any other conspiracy theorist would be.

Why is this in the gay section, BTW? Perhaps you should post it in the "Women's Studies" section. You might get more relevant responses.

Answer 9

You don't expand on what you mean by "excluding", so here is my feminist invitation.

Next time I need to clean house before I leave for work, or do the family shopping and cleaning in the evening after work, you are invited to do it for me.

When its time to take the kids to the dentist, doctor, or school activities, I invite you to take your vacation time from work to transport them to and from said activies. You are also invited to explain to the children, why you cannot since your boss said leave again and you are fired.

You are invited to take care of the yard, the car, the house, the pets and the kids while working a full time job, maybe two because I left you for a younger, tighter, blonder man who wasn't so distracted all the time and I don't see why am obligated to provide support for my former life/children. I've moved on, why can't you?

You are invited to sit at the hospital with my dying parent, because I have a golf game I can't miss with the boss. And you are invited explain why I am missing our childs first birthday because there is a world series going on, and well I have tickets.

You are invited participate in a sex life that begins and ends with my needs, and when and how I want it. I'm sure it'll be fine for you, if not, well that's your fault.

I could go on, but I need to get to cleaning the basement. After all that's what I had to take time off from work for since the sewer backed up and made a mess of things, and well, you aren't around. However, you are certainly invited to come participate in a feminist woman's day off. Wear boots and gloves, its ugly down there.

Answer 10

I think you're basing your question on a limited view of feminism. SOME women who claim to be feminists may have this attitude, but for the most part, feminists of varying backgrounds are about deconsructing ideas that oppress BOTH men and women rather than advocating female superiority.

Answer 11

Feminism is the shocking belief that women are equal to men. Feminism is the shocking belief that all people deserve equality. Feminism is the shocking belief that social injustice is wrong.

Feminism, like any other belief, can have extremists on either side of the spectrum. Saying that feminists contradict everything they say is analogous to saying that [insert religion title] does too.

Feminism also came in waves, first wave, second wave...we're now in 3rd wave and post-modern feminism, some of us are in 4th wave. Feminism did start off as for women, but now, it's about equality for all people and they still focus on women, for example, the big thing right now is women of colour.

Feminists don't contradict everything they say. We all apply our beliefs differently. What one might do, another might not. Please don't damn all of feminism for what you might have encountered as negative.