Would Pres. Bush agree to have the Bill he signed be applied to USA citizens if they were interrogated?

Question

Bush signed a bill yesterday, but I confess I am not clear about what that bill is.

1. Would the present congress think it is ok, if an American was detained by Govt of other countries under suspicion of Terror and be applied the same rules of conduct?

2. What is the deatails of the bill just signed?

3. Why NUKULAR? lol ( ignore no 3. I was just being naughty )

Answer 1

Well, the new bill STILL violates the Geneva convention, so I guess he's saying to the world that he doesn't care if they violate it either. Expect a lot more torture of U.S. prisoners in the future. This is the way of things.

There is now also supposedly oversight on who the president locks in jail forever, though now they have no right to protest being in jail forever. The oversight, however, is entirely secret and appointed by the president. So in a way there's really no oversight at all.

Answer 2

Truth is I fear for USA and her allies. Such a bill is a clear declaration to "terror" groups that USA is not going to follow what Geneva Convention agreed upon, if the purpose suits them. The suits will not feel the actual pinch, the ones that would are the citizens travelling around the world. Image if a regular family got caught under terror suspicions by other countries and applied that bill.. what a horrific thought!!

The really Hardcore extremists didnt care anyway, now even the droplet groups are gonna say "Hey... free-for-all" and NO group will respect anything the USA has to say about violation of Human Rights. USA has always been the Spearheader for rights, this seems to give a green light to more aggressive country to act as they feel. Nth Korea did not care two hoots about USA's warnings and it looks like they are ready if USA decides to invade ( like Iraq ) to confiscate their weapon of Mass Destruction, but only diff in this case is... Nth Korea ACTUALLY has some!

Noo-cue-Lar!! Sounds like a Battle Cry of a Superhero...like Its Smashin' Time or Flame On!

Answer 3

In plain language, since the bill is deliberately obfuscatory in language;
It does away with constitutional rights if the executive office decides that you are supporting terrorism in any way. That can include disagreeing with what the executive says.

It suspends the right to a speedy trial, the right to trial by a jury of your peers, and if they say they think you may have had some involvement with torture, it legalizes torture and overrides the torture bill of 2005.

Habeas Corpus is suspended, you do not have the right to face your accusers or to see the evidence against you, and in fact there need be no evidence. All this can be used against U.S. citizens if martial law is declared or in the absence of martial law. if you have been classed as aiding terrorism in any way. And that is the biggest danger in the bill, it gives the Executive Branch the apparent power to make you a "terrorist" with the wave of a hand and in the best tradition of totalitarianism, you just disappear.

The Geneva Convention, which applies to captured enemy military is overridden ex post facto to cover war crimes already committed and any that may be.

Though verbiage in the bills purports to demonstrate constitutionality, the bill is anti-constitutional and a good prelude to dictatorship.


We have to assume that the wording was not a "silly accident", Bush demanded dictatorial powers and that's what the bill contains.

Since it is a defacto amendment to several parts of the Constitution, it is illegal. It contains language prohibiting any court from questioning it. All illegal. Let us just hope that the military does not have to get involved.

And yes, isn't it comforting to have the finger of someone who pronounces "nuclear" as "nuke-you-lar" on the button?

Answer 4

The conversation would revolve around the various races and nationalities of the world co-existing. Jesus would enlighten President Bush how foreign policy may be more powerful than war and Hitler that He is the only "Master Race". Bill Cosby would just keep things light with his sense of humor.

Answer 5

1) Did all the civilians that were beheaded and videos shown via internet mean nothing to you? I think our government would be thrilled if the terrorists applied even half of those rules of conduct.

2) Here is an abbreviated form of the press release from the source with the link in case this isnt good enough for you.

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is one of the most important pieces of legislation in the war on terror. This bill will allow the Central Intelligence Agency to continue its program for questioning key terrorist leaders and operatives like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man believed to be the mastermind of the September the 11th, 2001 attacks on our country. This program has been one of the most successful intelligence efforts in American history. It has helped prevent attacks on our country. And the bill I sign today will ensure that we can continue using this vital tool to protect the American people for years to come. The Military Commissions Act will also allow us to prosecute captured terrorists for war crimes through a full and fair trial.

(edited for blah, blah, blah)

When I proposed this legislation, I explained that I would have one test for the bill Congress produced: Will it allow the CIA program to continue? This bill meets that test. It allows for the clarity our intelligence professionals need to continue questioning terrorists and saving lives. This bill provides legal protections that ensure our military and intelligence personnel will not have to fear lawsuits filed by terrorists simply for doing their jobs.

This bill spells out specific, recognizable offenses that would be considered crimes in the handling of detainees so that our men and women who question captured terrorists can perform their duties to the fullest extent of the law. And this bill complies with both the spirit and the letter of our international obligations. As I've said before, the United States does not torture. It's against our laws and it's against our values.

By allowing the CIA program to go forward, this bill is preserving a tool that has saved American lives. The CIA program helped us gain vital intelligence from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh, two of the men believed to have helped plan and facilitate the 9/11 attacks. The CIA program helped break up a cell of 17 southeastern Asian terrorist operatives who were being groomed for attacks inside the United States. The CIA program helped us uncover key operatives in al Qaeda's biological weapons program, including a cell developing anthrax to be used in terrorist attacks.
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Most terrorists arent US citizens, thus should not receive OUR constitutional rights. Part of the reason they set things up in this manner was probably due to "Azzam the American" who has been charged with treason (see second link).

Habeas Corpus was suspended because in some cases, classified information was involved (dont need to show the enemy our Top Secret information). There is an article that discusses some possiblities (third link). There is some speculation that this is not the first time this has occurred in US history. President Lincoln was probably the first (fourth link).

Answer 6

1.These third world countries have no rules to abide by like the USA,just look at our servicemen who have been beaten terrorized and disabled by these countries. Our congressmen and senators are soft when it comes to international condemnation.( they might lose some of their pork money )they don't ask the heart of America when taking polls just people in their circle.
simply put NO they wouldn't like it but they wouldn't do anything about it.

2.legislation , eliminates some of the rights defendants are usually guaranteed under U.S. law, and it authorizes continued harsh interrogations of terror suspects but doesn't give specifics of interrogations.

Answer 7

Law abiding nations (such as the US) will continue to follow the Geneva conventions (which by the way applies only to uniformed combatants). Spain is not going to start torturing US army men.

Now, how will terrorist groups and regimes change their behavior? Um...not much...they didn't follow any rules before, and they will continue to not follow any rules. Not much of a difference there.

Answer 8

It clearly allows Bush to declare anyone an illegal combatant. It doesn't matter whether you are a citizen or not. It is unconstitutional and will be struck down eventually. Doesn't say much for the congress either does it?

Answer 9

Bremmer the "viceroy: in Iray wanted to shoot looters in 2003 check out this question and open the links
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjrvUMkMeFklb8WdiNBNppLsy6IX?qid=20061017201015AAlaYas

It will open your eyes. Or google: Frontline PBS The Lost Year

Answer 10

US and our allies are the only ones who follow Geneva convention our enemies certainly don't . we don't fight with our allies, but we are in a war with terrorism and we need to use everything we can to break them , it's how to win.Do you think Kim J. Ill would follow the Geneva convention if he had one of our guys?

enemy combatants are not defendants under our laws.