NOW I am COMPLETELY DISGUSTED?

Question

Note: There seems to be a problem with the audio in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGUaCpmEPU

Is that not sickening? Well ok I do not live in the United States, and of course I have come to learn that certain news and media groups cannot be trusted, but I do think this is very sleazy, pathetic and down right wrong.

What are your views? Opinions? Comments?

This is in response to N3, you seem to think you know more about us than we do. I suggest that you should learn the true meaning of Christianity. I never knew that when God and Jesus told us to love one another, that in between the lines it said: except for homosexuals.

Answer 1

It's very sickening, on many levels.

First of all, the simple fact of committing fraud is always disturbing, but it becomes more disturbing when it is done to manipulate the political system. It would seem to me that if there are a lot of people in MA who are concerned about same-sex marriages, and want to make them illegal, then you could go out and collect signatures in an honest manner, and still make the 66K quota of signatures. The fact that they are stooping to this makes me think that it's a last resort measure because the people of MA do not want to make it illegal, and are, in fact, fine with things the way they are.

The other thing that is even more disturbing is the woman in the green suit. She takes no responsibility at all for what her organization has done. If you watch the clip several times, as I did, you notice that she says they hired the political consulting company, which hired subcontractors, who hired subcontractors, etc., etc., as if that absolves her and her group of all responsibility for the petitions. However, she follows that up with a comment about the young woman who is telling the truth being disgruntled because she was fired. If the lady in the green suit doesn't know anything about the subcontractors, and has no control over how they gather signatures, how does she know about the issues with the young woman? It sounds hinky to me. It reminds me of every time a whistleblower of any kind has stepped forward and caught the attention of the media: the higher ups simultaneously disavow any knowledge of wrongdoing on the part of their organization, but also are quite positive that the accusations directed at them are the result of someone being "disgruntled".

Overall, I am with you. The entire thing is disgusting in the extreme. If someone wants to get an issue on the ballot here in the US, there are legal methods for them to do it. Tricking people into signing a phony petition is not legal, and it just turns everything into a sleazy, disgusting mess. My only hope is that by playing dirty, it will bring enough attention to the issue, and make enough people who were formerly undecided angry, that their efforts will fail completely, and that same-sex marriage will be left alone. It would serve Mrs. Green Suit and her organization right.

Answer 2

I am also disgusted, BUT not surprised. The US Right Wingnut Christians will do whatever it takes, even break their own so called moral code.

Like you, I do not live in the US (thankfully). How a once great nation can so devolve into a theocratic cesspool of hate is beyond me. Tragic really, hopefully, Americans will wake up from this self imposed coma of isolation and remember what they once stood for...Freedom. Until then, it will be up to others to carry on the march towards Hetero and Homosexual equality.

Now to address a lie being made by N3WJL. Gay marriage in Canada was made for Civil Marriages ONLY. Now of the polygamy you mentioned. I love irony, Christians demand no gay marriage because of RELIGIOUS freedom, well N3WJL, it might interest you to know, the polygamy people your talking about are arguing that their RELIGION allows it. You get my point? Civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, yet religion has everything to do with polygamy. Doubt it? look it up in your Bible.

Finally, last I checked, the world didn't end, cats and dogs aren't fornicating, children are still being born, and life as we know it is still moving along.

Answer 3

As a practical political matter gay marriage is not on the horizon. Got it in Massachusetts. Maybe one will vote for it this November. More will ban it--and add to the twenty states that already have. There will be some more civil union laws (which is the same legally as marriage anyway--but we love word games). But even the idea of civil unions is meeting resistance. It is absurd--but that is the reality.

I am concerned that the Gay/Lesbian movement is making this the primary reason for its existence and is abandoning the social change dogma that has previously charaterized it. It is reminisicent of the feminist movement which made suffrage its sole goal and then died until resurrected in the 1970's. If interested I blogged a bit about some of these issues in http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-GgIFACYzfqWx8YwvtspSWVmWzA--?cq=1&p=3296

Answer 4

Okay, for all the people that are going on and on about "gay marriage is so wrong" just think about the simple fact that thousands of people were being tricked! Regardless of what they are being tricked about they were LIED to, isn't that a sin as well? If you really want to go that route!


To answer your question... That is completely disgusting, and I hope that the people that signed unknowingly, that would not have, call and let them know that they want their names removed!!!

Answer 5

it seems like that evidence should be used to have each and every signature on the list from that location thrown out.



Are you just now finding out about this? These reports have been out for months even if the actual News Story isn't that old.

Answer 6

it is almost useless to me if I cannot hear the audio and what is being said but for the most part I could care less I seriously think that there are a lot of people out there with nothing better to do with their time than trying to make other people miserable a gay marraige doesn't affect anyone other than the two who want it so why do people have to go out of their way to ruin something for someone else? because there are a lot of rotten people out there in the world

Answer 7

naughty_blue_boi,
They actually thought that they had to lie in order to get enough signatures! I guess things are turning around for the issue itself!

You are right about Christianity. I'm glad to see that there are others out there that do not buy the fundie message.

Answer 8

no person famous them friendly - yet as quickly as I have been relationship a guy who stated this i could think of he become surprisingly immature. i don't think of it quite is something adult men and females could desire to talk approximately - it quite is in basic terms a young inconvenience that's a factor of nature. in case you are able to not keep it on your pants for 5 days out of a month, that's kinda unhappy.

Answer 9

that's not cool. for starters the specifics of that story are disgraceful - and secondly it really makes you think about similar activity in regard to hundreds of different petitions (et al) hmm - I'll be reading what I'm signing from now on. don't trust the discriminators!!!

Answer 10

Dishonesty to confuse people in signing your petition is disgusting as hell. If you do not have the people to support your cause, live with it