I have a question for all you bright people out there?

Question

Now for the last week ,I"ve read all the back and forth about how
Bush is an idiot, and Cheney is a criminal sociopath. I've also seen the constant bickering about the Liberal Democrats ruining
our country if they are elected. Hell, I've even participated a little.

The main difference between me and a lot of you, is that I don't
give ANYBODY a free ride if I can say NO before they're elected.

No matter how we got into Iraq, we're there now. We're not going to get our Troops out for a long time to come. It's not an easy
thing to do, but we MUST get our boys and girls out of there as quickly as possible with a stable Iraq left behind to deal with its own problems.

So let's hear your best ideas about how to get our Troops back home to deal with our other problems, like the Border or N.K.

Cute stuff like "Go nuk-yu-ler" or "Impeach Bush" won't cut it....
Serious answers only please.

Auld mom you are correct , I should have
said ..... stable enough to deal with their own problems , even if it means civil war.

Babyrawl...Thumbs up for you! not everyone can admit they don't know.
I find that it is ALWAYS a good start.

Warplesnorkle and SoSueMe53....
Your sentiments prove that you are both
truly beautiful people. thank you for contributing.

TonyB...What to say....
That kettle has been boiling for a very long
time. YES we allowed our leaders to kick
off the lid and dive in head-first. Does this
mean that we must allow ourselves to cook along with its other contents?
If so how long? Must thousands more on
every side die before we are seen to be
penitent enough to satisfy?.........I think not!

SJP-Amor, Trout ,and Richard
All good ideas, hopefully part of a larger
solution.

Grouchy ....Take a nap! Thats an order!!
LOL

Answer 1

Ok, here is my idea on getting our troops back home:

1. 1 Iraqi Battalion trained in the USA from platoon, company and the battalion. Once trained, the Iraqi Battalion will replace 1 US Battalion. (1 for 1 exchange)

2. 1 US Heavy Brigade with Combat Air Assets cover the withdraw of each battalion as it is replaced by its Iraqi counterpart.

3. 1 US Heavy Brigade move back down to Kuwait (as it was previously since after Gulf I) to quickly respond to any problems that would threaten US Forces withdrawing. This brigade would support the 1 Brigade already pre-positioned in Iraq (see 2 above).

4. Position USMC Infantry or a Ranger Battalion in the North with the Kurds to ensure that they will not be threatened. Establish a Kurd Federal State with all civilian and military assets available.

5. Conduct operation "Night Hawk" by special forces units to round up and capture all suspected terrorist and supporters. Move suspects to an unknown location. This technique will remove senior operatives out of the country.

6. All National Guard units immediete withdraw from Iraq in a battalion withdraw plan. National Guard units will re-enforce Border Patrol once they complete stand-down and leave in the USA.

7. USMC Infantry units begin withdraw in a slow, organized manner. Elite units will re-enforce city police departments once stand-down and leave is complete to arrest all illegal immigrants, street gangs and drug trafficers in the large cities in the USA.

8. Double the naval fleet in the Pacific around the Sea of Japan to signal to North Korea not to cross the DMZ or launch missiles.

9. Install a policy that South Korea, China, and Japan must unite together (forgetting all past accusations) and inform North Korea of their unity.

10. Continue the fight in Afghanistan by elite forces on stealth, shock and surprise eliminating all Taliban and Al Queda training camps and positions.

Estimated Iraq Withdraw Plan: 18 months

Answer 2

Stability and Iraq aren't words that belong in the same sentence. There's no such thing. Will never happen. It's like taking 10 people from 10 different educational, religious and ethnic backgrounds, throwing them all in a small room, giving them guns and a list of heavily venomous jokes to rattle off. Saddam and his henchmen were/are murderers and pigs, but there was some sense of control within the border.

The only thing that will work, IMO, is partitioning the country. It may happen before the end, anyway, through civil war. There is no way to avoid it.

Begs the question of what the Hell are the Arab countries doing to help restore peace, life and balance there? I'm guessing the same exact thing they've done for the Palestinian Refugees. Countries like Saudi Arabia talk a big talk, promise big things and don't deliver unless they are sponsoring terrorist organizations behind the backs of the rest of the world. Isn't it time that region step up to the plate as people who have everything to lose in the event of failure and US/Britain military pull out?

Answer 3

The British fought there a few decades ago study up on how they left . Just like the French had been in Vietnam for 20 yrs before they pulled out and the US went in - and the US pulled out in the same fashion the French did .

Before going into a country the US should really consider asking it's allies who have already been there how it was - All that is said and done now though so HOW do you get your troops home?

Political resolve has to change .Right now Bush is going on his coward cut and run stuff - if it was seen as it is instead of being sold as a cowardly thing - the politicans wouldn't be in this self painted corner .

Iraq is a high risk low yield deal - The US had every "right" to have a civil war and so do they . The Americans must sort out America the Canadians must sort out Canada and the Iraqi's are just going to have to sort out Iraq.

Give the government the tools and walk away . Or just walk away . You can't have an Iraqi solution to an American problem anymore than you can have an American solution to an Iraqi one.

Right now your military is one of many (and growing ) factions in the region there is an attack on military positions every 15 minutes -

You got rig of Sadam , be happy and leave - stop Bush from painting it as an act of betrayl and cowardice and start selling the idea as common sense

Answer 4

First off, the government that they elected needs to step up, and stop tolerating the factions that are fighting one another. They need to be able to somehow detain these people, and let the cooler heads prevail. Normally I would be against such action by a government, but every day that they are allowed to operate there are so many innocent people dying. I believe that a lot of the bodies being discovered are revenge killings, and by detaining the forces behind it all, it would allow the average citizen to be able to think without being scared of everything that might or might not happen.
While these people are detained, maybe they could be treated well, and by reasonable people that they consider "enemies". That would allow them to see that they are all just people who are trying to make it.
If they can get the bad people off the streets, then they can work rebuilding the infrastructure of iraq, like the electrical system, etc. If the detained people are released slowly back into a normal society, then they will maybe not be so ready to kill for power or control, and may not resent the new government so much.
As for getting our troops out, I think that we need to help the new Iraqi government with the infrastructure rebuilding, and then slowly withdraw troops over a year or so, but using as little violence as possible.
I also think that Sadam is crazy, but he was effective at controlling the violence among the people. If there were a leader who could take control and be compassionate at the same time, than that would be great.
The new government of iraq is not going to be effective as long as they are seen as puppets of the U.S., so they really need to step it up.

Answer 5

After Iraq has some sort of postwar stability the best move would be to follow what the Army tells the soldiers. When my Dad went to Iraq they gave him a set amount of time he would be there, just send the soldiers back on schedule but gradually stop sending replacement units. By the time all the troops are out with no replacements Iraq should be in better condition than post Revolutionary war U.S.A. so from there Iraq is an Iraqi problem. It is not our job nor is it even logical to forcefully transform a nation and then "baby" it for decades.

Answer 6

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Answer 7

I can't believe some of the answers I'm reading here.

Listen up folks - the Americans invaded a country illegally, destroyed the entire infrastructure, killed thousands of innocent people, displaced many thousands more and left the place in ruins!!!

Now all you can talk about is how you get those same troops home.

You need to take responsibility for your actions and stay there until you clean up the mess you've made.

Answer 8

Bright orange. Definitely.

Answer 9

Well, sounds like you went to confession or what! Well Bush is an idiot, and his complete cabinet. You would think that we would listen to our intelligence network in the 80's and the former Pakistan President in reference to the growth of Arab Terrorist in Afghanistan and Pakistan. One would think we would look at the lessons learned from the Soviet Army which was defeated by a bunch of Arabs who wear funny clothes (quote by Rumsfeld). They are fighting for what they believe in and not oil. Americans fought and destroyed the British Army in our revolution to becomming an independent country, we called it Patriosm...back then Europe called us Terrorist. My plan, evacuate out of every Islamic country in the world. Reestablish Embassay's on the Islamic countries that want us, and only in thoose countries. We can not continue with a 8 Trillion Dollar debt to fight in countries that do not even appreciate our presence, netherlone democracy. Put Saddam back in charge, and if Afghanistan wants to go back to the stone age with the Taliban that so be it. We have enough internal problems in America, and now a nut with a nuke that may or may not be able to hit the west cost of the USA. We didn't listen to the French in Vietnam and we ended leaving with MISSION NOT COMPLETE! A shame, over 3,000 brave men and women mostly just the sense of duty to serve their country, finish, go to college or start a family have died for the failed policy of President Bush!

Answer 10

You are absolutely right- none of this will be easy.
I agree with you that we need to get our soldiers out of there as quickly as possible. Obviously, given the state of things in Iraq, the removal of our troops will result in a horrible civil war, and as bad a dictator as Hussein was, the Iraqis will probably pray for a return to the 'good old days', when there was at least a sense of stability with him in charge. The populace did not have to worry about the markets being blown to pieces or bodies piling up, their tortured corpses an indictment of the failure of US foreign policy. Yes, he killed many of his people, but not so many as have died at the hands of Bush. Yes, he gassed the Kurds, but he did it with gas we provided him.
I do not know the feasability of creating , as with with post-WW2 Berlin, three seperate sectors of the former Iraq-one for the Sunnis, one for the Shiites, and one for the Kurds- with the Iraqi people separated by forces of the 'coalition of the willing' to bring at least a modicum of peace to the people. Maybe it would work, maybe not. What is the alternative? If we just pack up and leave the hell that is present day Iraq will surely get much worse- if we stay many more of our troops will be killed.
Bush cannot walk away unscathed by the TOTAL WRONGNESS of his charging into an unjust war after a misperceived enemy with no clearly defined plan. It seems from your question that you have grown weary of the Bushbashing, but what is a person to do when the evidence so obviously points to executive mismanagement? It is my belief that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al, should be handed over to a war crimes tribunal and made to pay for crimes against humanity. Certainly this will never happen, so at the very least Bush and the War Department must apologize to the survivors of the war dead, our own, those of the coalition, and those of our "enemy". And the parents of every US soldier killed after Bush's bonehead "Bring it on" challenge, the back-firing taunt of a schoolyard bully which could only have inflamed insurgent passion, are most deserving of seeing Bush run from the Oval Office to federal lock up. He is criminal in his actions, immoral in thought, and completely undeserving of our sympathy.

Answer 11

I agree with you,
unfortunately there are no easy answers for this one.

I do not see our soldiers coming out of Iraq for quite a while, we cannot leave until Iraq is stable.

As for North Korea,
I don't see the U.S. getting involved there; I do however, see one of the surrounding countries stepping up to the plate when North korea fires one of it's Nukes into their borders. Then it will be
*problem solved*

As for illegal immigration.......until we stop those who hire illegals and penalize them severely --illegal immigration will continue to flourish.
After all---it's all about supply and demand isn't it?