650,000 dead- How many 9/11s is that?

Question

How much terror do we have to wage to feel safe? I know, I know cons, the study isn't "credible"- Johns Hopkins University just pulls things out of its posterior. Seriously, though, how many Iraqis do we have to kill to avenge 9/11? I am a veteran of the armed forces, so keep your attacks on my patriotism to yourself. My question is the number of our own dead is approaching the number of dead on 9/11 and the number of dead Iraqis is approaching genocide; when is enough killing enough?

USN 1998-2004. Honorably discharged in 2004. If you do the math, 9/11 is in there. I was on deployment, on my submarine, the USS Bremerton(SSN 698) and watched the towers fall in a bar in Guam. I have been awarded the Distinguished service Medal, the Navy Expeditionary Medal, the Navy/Marine Corps medal and the National Defense medal. I served my country, voluntarily, for 6 1/2 years (Feb 1998-Nov 2004). I think that backs up my patriotism somewhat, at least more than the armchair hawks among you.

Here's a challenge to the Bush apologists out there: defend this war or any other failed Bush policy without uttering the name of Bill Clinton. Can ya do it? If I were to rob somebody and tell the judge, "but look at the robbery that other guy did..." would I be excused?

Funny you would bring up WWII. Do they still teach history? Where in history was the US homeland attacked by Iraq? Take your time, cons. Japan attacked us, militarily. The 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, UAE, everywhere BUT Iraq. So the parallel stops at the fact that stuff blew up in both cases.

Iraqi automatically equals terrorist? Who is the blind fanatic now?

I have no sympathy for convicted terrorists. I do have sympathy for people, regardless of what color they are.

Answer 1

218 if you count the American war dead at 3,000

Answer 2

Its all propaganda as with every conflict. your priority is to protect your own people and swear allegiance to that. If you want to be a conscientious objector now then again you are lucky cos any other army in the world you would be shot as a yella belly chicken.

Dead, who cares about the dead. If you join the Armed forces you and your family should accept that you are dead until you return home, that's the bonus. Army isn't joining the boy scouts. Its serious life threatening occupation as you will well know unless you hung around in countries during peace times.

The people who are being killed ie the civilians of Iraq have there forefathers to blame as they were the ones that allowed this to happen.

Why not have an uprising when you think a leader is becoming a tyrant. OK lots will die in the immediate aftermath however it will prevent 1 milllion times those deaths in the future. That is the choice people have to make.

One way or another we all have to make sacrifices for the next generations. That's life.

Answer 3

Gee. Did somebody question your patritoism? Or is that your own guilty conscience? In case you don't understand reality, by your rule, we should have quit WWII after killing off a thousand Japanese soldiers. WWII would have lasted about three months.

War isn't about killing, stupid, it's about winning. You play this game until someone wins, and you don't cut and run just because there are a lot of enemy combatants. GROW UP!!!

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So... the war in Iraq is a failed policy how? Policy: conduct a 20 year war to eliminate terrorism from the planet. Have 20 years passed already? Or are YOU listening to too many libs with their failed ideas that keep them out of power?

What other 'failures' do you think he has had? Economic? America has recovered quite nicely from the previous administration's foul-ups. Ecological? Everybody complains about the high price of oil, but it's high prices that will fuel the drive to renewable resources. I'm really surprised that the Libs haven't seen this and used similar tactics themselves.

And in case you haven't noticed, the terrorists don't answer to nations, they answer to Radical Islam. That's a RELIGION. Since Islamics live all through that area, including Iraq, this target is just as logical as any other. More so since it was a major military threat when we moved. Remember, the present action is in SUPPORT of a FREELY ELECTED government that will eventually be able to control its own people.

Remember, we now know that the WMD's WERE there. We just allowed them too much time to remove them while Liberals were braying about giving the UN inspectors more and more time to look for them, but only where Saddam allowed them to. Big surprise that they didn't find anything! The had PLENTY of time to move them to Syria.

Obviously Iraqi doesn't equal terrorist. But Iraq IS the chosen battlefield for BOTH sides. Most of the current suicide bombers there are from neighboring countries. We are PROTECTING Iraqis from a worse fate.

BTW, 'jackass' refers to Democrats. Republicans are 'fat asses'. Hence, the elephant. Enjoy your OWN Kool-aide.

Answer 4

There are no 650,000 dead killed by the US. This is fantasy, not fact.

And, if you had a brain, used it and paid attention, you'd have seen that most of the Iraqi deaths have been because of Iraqis killing other Iraqis, mostly the Sunnis murdering Shiites, but the Shiites are catching up and killing the Sunnis in retaliation.

Any thinking person would look at this number and question it. The major military action against Saddam's armies was over in what, 6 weeks? We did not indiscriminately bomb cities or population centers, so this number would appear to be fictitious, or based on very bad assumptions.

And your stupid comment about us killing Iraqis is just that - stupid and irrelevant. The only way to oust criminal tyrants like Saddam is by military force. This means war. War means weapons, bullets, shells, bombs. This causes death and destruction. People get killed. It's unfortunate but unavoidable.

I'm just trying to remember all your outrage when Clinton bombed Serbian civilian targets for the non-existant thousands upon thousands of Kosovars in mass graves that was his reason for his unprovoked, non-UN-approved attack on a country that had done nothing to us. Can you refresh my memory?

Answer 5

I personally doubt you served, if you had then you would KNOW that when the media gives the US body count they are only reporting to the american people those who died right there on the spot and not the men who made it to a triage station or Bethesda and died. That body count my freind is alot closer to 25 or 26 thousand not 2600. Anyone who supports this mindless killing of Iraqis is a lost soul. Its not gossip anymore that the Iraqis were not responsible in any way for 9/11 so why are we really still there? Budget Wars plain and simple. Where do you think those billions are going? Our soldiers are complaining for want of body armor and better plating on thier vehicles. Not performing a tour and returning for some rest, having benefits and pay increasingly erroded away while sacrificing thier very lives for a lie. If the study by John Hopkins and MIT is only HALF right, we the american people, need to get a pair (collectively) and literally drag the bastards responsible out of thier offices by thier entrails for all the world to see. But instead we do what? Hide in our ignorance exemplified by the answers posted to your question. Mindlessly support the killing of innocent women and children and old men in wheelchairs? Just because they are Iraqi? Or worst yet, simply do and say nothing. That is the worst "sin" of all - apathy.

Answer 6

Approximately 217, assuming 3,000 dead on 9/11.

Assuming 35,000,000 dead in WWII and 2,500 dead at Pearl Harbor, WWII was about 14,000 Pearl Harbors.

Shouldn't this question be in maths?

I wonder what details of your service you could provide.

Answer 7

They will say probably as many as it takes.
Enough is never enough, they love killing and war it makes them sleep like babies at night.
There will never be enough dead iraqis to avenge 9-11 because iraq in no way causesd or had anything to do with 9-11.

Answer 8

More people die in California each day than the entire country of Iraq. So, statistics don't matter. What principal do you suppose we should adhere to when it comes to dealing with terrorism? And, if you think Iraq has nothing to do with world terrorism, you are very naive.

Answer 9

Thats all? sounds like we need to send in the bombers and finish the job! And I do question your patriotism.

Answer 10

Are they citizens of the United States?

Then who gives a sh*t.

They wanted a fight. They got one.