are all cretans liars?

Question

epidimes, a cretan, once said the all cretans are liars. was he lying?

yes Epimenides.

it's really cretans

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cretan: someone from the island of Crete

Answer 1

Yes, he was a lying.

Answer 2

Interesting Q...Just recently I viewed a film,,, not about Greece or philosophy that related to the essence of Liars.

Sadly the TITLE Cretan has been widely smudged and dilluted, even by Webster.

Would you suspect that lying is inherant,,,or learned? Would you then expand the thought to every race, or the origins of our species, geographic, but without choice?

I suspect that if you spent time in Greece, Crete in particular, the quote is widely known, and perhaps practiced by a majorityl, but don't Quote me on that.

So sayeth Steven Wolf

Answer 3

All people are liars, not all statements are lies. The taint of lying applies even if you make but one untruthful comment in your life. Does this make you a habitual liar? No, but you have still told a lie and thus you are a liar.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

I think the word you're looking for is cretin, and sometimes they are liars, but usually they're just jerks in general.

Answer 6

You see, as nothing's absolute, they couldn't be. But they may
be liars by belief, i.e. thinking that a white lie isn't a lie...and so forth. Don't generalize anything, except maybe for Press...!

Ciao........John-John.

Answer 7

Ah, the famous paradox:

"The Epimenides paradox is a problem in logic. This problem is named after the Cretan philosopher Epimenides of Knossos (flourished circa 600 BC), who stated Κρῆτες ἀεί ψεύσται, "Cretans, always liars". There is no single statement of the problem; a typical variation is given in the book Gödel, Escher, Bach (page 17), by Douglas R. Hofstadter.
Epimenides was a Cretan who made one immortal statement: "All Cretans are liars."
Did Epimenides speak the truth? We will first consider the logical status of his statement and then review the history of this famous quote.

Logical analysis

If we define "liar" to mean that every statement made by a liar is false (so that Epimenides' statement amounts to "Anything said by a Cretan is false"), then the statement "All Cretans are liars," if uttered by the Cretan Epimenides, cannot be consistently true. (And, as will be noted below, according to one interpretation it also cannot be consistently false, either.)
The conjunction of "Epimenides said all Cretans are liars" and "Epimenides is a Cretan" would, if true, imply that a Cretan has truthfully asserted that no Cretan has ever spoken the truth; the truth of Epimenides' statement would be a counterexample (some Cretan has told the truth at least once) and would mean that not all Cretans are necessarily always liars, which would contradict Epimenides' statement and thus would render it false.
Several interpretations and analyses are available, if the statement is considered false. It might be contended that the truth-value "false" can be consistently assigned to the simple proposition that "All Cretans are liars," so that this statement by itself, when deemed false, is not, strictly speaking, paradoxical. Thus, if there ever existed a Cretan (not Epimenides in this instance) who even once spoke the truth, the categorical statement "All Cretans are (always) liars," would be false, and Epimenides might be simply regarded as having made a false statement himself. But if Epimenides' statement is understood as in essence asserting its own falsehood, then the statement cannot consistently be false, either, because its falsehood would imply the truth of its self-asserted falsehood.
An interesting asymmetry is possible under one interpretation: the statement's truth clearly implies its falsehood, but, unless the statement is interpreted to refer specifically to itself (rather than referring categorically to all statements by Cretans), the statement could be contingently false without implying its own truth.
Alternatively, if, by "liar", we were to mean someone whose statements are usually but not always false, the logical problem would dissolve: Epimenides might usually lie, but on this occasion it might be that he happened to speak the truth. This interpretation would not lead to an interesting logical problem.
Paradoxical versions of the Epimenides problem are closely related to a class of more difficult logical problems, including the liar paradox, Russell's paradox, and the Burali-Forti paradox, all of which have self-reference in common with Epimenides. (The Epimenides paradox is usually classified as a variation on the liar paradox, and sometimes the two are not distinguished.) The study of self-reference led to important developments in logic and mathematics in the twentieth century.

History

The Epimenides paradox, as a problem in logic, appears to have a relatively recent origin, although the statement "Cretans, always liars" has quite a history itself.
Epimenides was a philosopher and religious prophet who, against the general sentiment of Crete, proposed that Zeus was immortal. As he wrote in his poem Cretica,
They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one-
The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!
But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever,
For in thee we live and move and have our being.
Denying the immortality of Zeus, then, is the lie of the Cretans. It appears that by "Cretans", Epimenides intended "Cretans other than myself". The phrase "Cretans, always liars" was quoted by the poet Callimachus in his Hymn to Zeus, with the same theological intent as Epimenides. The entire second line is quoted in the Epistle to Titus, 1:12, and identified as such by Clement of Alexandria. The entire verse reads, "One of Crete's own prophets has said it: 'Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons'." And the next verse continues, "He has surely told the truth." Though this explicitly includes the self-reference, it appears to be solely intended to defame the Cretans.
The logical inconsistency of a Cretan asserting all Cretans are always liars may not have occurred to Epimenides, nor to Callimachus, the author of Titus, or Clement. In the original context, Epimenides necessarily meant "Cretans other than myself", so there is no self-reference and thus no logical problem to speak of. The liar paradox was known in antiquity, but it was not associated with Epimenides then. (Saint Augustine restates the liar paradox, without mentioning Epimenides or Titus, in Against the Academicians III.13.29.) Many variations of the liar paradox (called insolubilia) were studied in the Middle Ages, but none of the extant medieval works on insolubilia refer to Epimenides, neither directly nor through the Epistle to Titus. The earliest appearance of Epimenides in the context of a logical problem dates only to the nineteenth century. Since that time, the Epimenides paradox has been commonly employed in discussions of logic."

Answer 8

Even better - are all liars cretins?