How can we truely understand the Divine when we understand the Divine though our personal perseptions?

Question

Sorry for the spelling mistake. Leffe does that to you (its made by monks).

Answer 1

Why is it then that we should think we cannot realise our true potential? How can we for example imagine limitlessness of time and space, and the absolute our being? We can perceive more than we are. Our reach goes farther than our grasp. But how far, how far can we reach beyond all that is knowable and rationally definable?

If for example you start to count and keep counting for zillions of years, there is not end. The last number you just counted will enable you to create the next number in the sequence out of noting. Just imagine the extreme dimension - so close and yet so far away in the mind. The aspect of our mind that is free of all limitations of space-time continuum is the essential mind not the arbitrary mind that is a response to our physical existence.

If we imagine our consciousness is like a sphere of light round a candle. Then there is region beyond the reach of light that is in darkness – a region that is there however not illuminated to our eye. But before that region there is an expanse of our conscious mind. There is no gap in the expansion of our conscious mind. It is uniform and consistent and ever spreading like an ever-increasing front of light.

What we see in our conscious mind leads us to define the undiscovered. Where we do not know we wonder and then seek. We will always seek for the best in all existence – the divine. Our concepts of divinity are all extracted for the world we know and experience trough our senses, but our intuitive ability to do so is the true sign of something innate that is not quite material and fully realised.

Beyond the scope of our immediate knowledge, what we do not know we know as the unknown. This is an acknowledgement of our own ignorance - again our knowledge. Then we define things that are beyond reason. We define with the power of our belief. With the power of our mind we can know everything. We should know that our perception is objective. We should know things the best of OUR ability to know.

Answer 2

That depends on how similar the Divine and human beings are -- especially their perceptions -- as being questioned. The phrase "comparing apples to oranges" comes into mind.

I take it that the question assumes a position that they are of very different nature and therefore poses many differences and as such would cause much problem when "true" understandings -- of meanings -- between the two are to be compared.

The only way I could think of to solve this problem is thru semantics and that is partially affected by the differences in perceptions, but also affected by lack of a common natural / physical science as applied to both the divine and human beings.

Unless we could deem a universal nature of consciousness or some other concepts, comparisons and translations between different types of consciousness -- languages, understandings ... etc -- are not meaningful. Perhaps that's where spirits come into the picture.

However, to answer your question, no, we could not do so because the question is ill-defined as stated.

Answer 3

Why do we believe with such surety that we understand that the nature of preception is subjective and that all things are beyond our understanding? What is divine except a label we've given to the things we can't understand? With out our perceptions we are nothing. What we are is an intelligent animal which seeks to create complexities so as to feel it is something more. The meaning of life for us is no different than it is for animals, and the truth of the divine is it doesn't exist and is thus incapable of being understood lest you realize this.

Answer 4

as long as your personal perceptions are just and fair what more understanding do you want?
less of the philosophy and more about 'leffe'
where can you buy it
which one are you consuming
Different types of Leffe
Leffe Blonde (6.6% ABV) is a dry, fruity, lightly spiced beer and is quite full and creamy.
Leffe Brune (6.5% ABV) is more rich and profound than Leffe Blonde. It is slightly less fruity and tends to be heavier than Blonde.
Leffe Triple is stronger (8.4% ABV) with a very rich taste that has hints of orange, vanilla and lemon.
Leffe Radieuse and Leffe Vieille Cuvée are both strong beers (8.4% ABV) with a very dominant fruity taste. Radieuse tends to be more fruity while the Vieille Cuvée is creamy.
Leffe 9 is the strongest yet at 9% ABV; similar to Leffe Blonde

i'm partial to the wee glass of 'jameson' myself.
however i never heard of 'leffe' before, it's sounds interesting

Answer 5

Indeed! How can we understand anything whatsoever if our perceptions are unclear? The process of maturing involves a lot of pushing our own mental and perceptual garbage out of the way so we can see more clearly. And we make slow, agonizing progress toward clarity. I don't know that most of us reach a state where we can clearly perceive the Divine, but we have to reach for something, don't we?

Answer 6

How can a limited mind such as ours understand the unlimited? All the knowledge that we acquire are all descriptions, interpretations, biased and limited. Our knowledge cannot perceive something beyond the boundary of our mind, what we see is only our own creation. It seems to me that the true perception comes when all of our limited knowledge are silent, when we are not assertive of something we don't know. When our mind is observant it can see the realty of the unreal, this seeing is the true perception of the indescribable.

Answer 7

I don't think we can ever fully understand the Divine, but certainly more than our own perceptions are involved. We can't help being influenced by other people, for good or bad. The thing is, do you WANT to understand more? - Is it about the Christian faith? If so, go to your nearest Christian bookshop and seek advice about suitable reading or viewing, that is if you don't know a Christian to approach.

Answer 8

Our personal perceptions are an expression of the Divine in action in the world.

Answer 9

The mind can only deal with that which is known i.e. knowledge and not able to deal with that which is unknown. Knowledge is always limited to what you know.

Divine is a product of the unknowable which is Love.

The word LOVE is just a label to describe that which has no end or beginning and has no conditions (unconditional).

The mind is condition by what its knows and is therefor limited and unable to grasp that which is limitless and unconditional.

Thought is a product of knowledge, knowledge is a condition of the limitation of the mind!

Answer 10

We cannot understand the 'devine' by our own human understandings. We are incapable of such and may only imagine the divine.