Why do you talk about reparative therapy only, and about the bad side of it? Can't you accept the simple fact that there's people who WANT TO CHANGE and DO CHANGE? And are happy like that? Is that so hard to understand,
2006-10-10 12:00:45 · 28 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Cultures & Groups ➔ Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender
well, jayelle, what I understood most of all is that you were able to talk in a normal way to me. Must say Feels much better than all the hatred last time...
2006-10-10 12:12:50 · update #1
"People who have to suppress their natural orientation, and endure the trauma that goes with that, are not happy. They are merely conforming, so that they are no longer persecuted by the likes of you. Shame on you" said someone....You know what, I say shame on YOU. wait, wasn't your name "wide awake"? Probably you are narrow awake...oyu have probably never seen, heard or felt or anything like that there's ALL KIND OF PEOPLE on this planet, uh? so stop whining if you encounter some resistance and let me say "proud not to be gay anymore", just like you say "proud to be gay". Point final.
2006-10-10 12:30:22 · update #2
Because we have a problem with people lying about their true sexual orientation, and others swearing to it. Just because someone no longer acts on their orientation doesn't change how God made them.
Perhaps we have a problem mainly with it when bigots like you trumpet it in our faces, trying to force us to "change" as well. Why don't you mind your own business?
People who have to suppress their natural orientation, and endure the trauma that goes with that, are not happy. They are merely conforming, so that they are no longer persecuted by the likes of you. Shame on you.
Edit - Notice that I don't preach to you how you should be, yet you feel the need to do that to LGBT people. Why not stop attacking and start listening?
2006-10-10 12:18:55 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
I have a huge problem with any organization or group telling people that they way they were made is wrong.
Humans have their sexuality already ingrained in their psyche even before birth. Sexuality is the strongest natural instinct a human animal has... the second is the instinct to eat. You don't think someone could convince you you're not hungry if you are, do you? Doubtful... just like nobody can change the sexual nature that occurs in a person.
These groups that claim to turn people straight do nothing more than teach a person how to ACT straight, and how to convince others that they are not gay. They do not CHANGE your sexuality... no matter how much they make you feel guilty or dirty for being gay, they cannot change that fact. And as much as you try to convince yourself that you are no longer a lesbian, you KNOW deep inside that it is not true.
So, my problem is with any group that not only teaches people that being gay is dirty and/or wrong, but also with the fact that they perpetuate and proliferate the myth that sexuality is a choice and not in-born. These are the types of prejudice that breed hatred.
2006-10-11 16:21:35 · answer #2 · answered by pceej 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I don't hate that y'all have tried it. After all, I had a conflict between faith and sexuality, too. I do hate that many of you, or homophobic straights, talk about how since y'all have "changed" (and sometimes that change is *really* questionable), the rest of us have to attempt change or expect to be treated as second-class citizens.
And you know, even if it is mutable, well, so are religion and marital status. Those are legally protected. I'm sure these Christians who talk about how ex-gays prove that homosexuality shouldn't be protected because "change is possible" would be the first to scream bloody murder if--big if--we were to remove religion as a legally protected status.
Now, on the flip side, can't you accept the simple fact that there are people who don't want to change and have tried to change, but couldn't? And are happy being LGBT? Is *that* so hard to understand?!?!
2006-10-10 19:09:12 · answer #3 · answered by GreenEyedLilo 7 · 4⤊ 0⤋
1. There is a fear on their part that reparative therapy is not helpful and might actually be harmful towards the patient.
2. They think such therapy is bogus -- that it is impossible to to change ones sexual orientation.
3. They don't want to accept the fact that some people's sexual orientation is quite fluid.
4. They don't want the ranks of homosexuals to diminish. (Same reason that a good number of homosexuals do not believe in bisexuality.)
5. They don't want to accept the fact that there is a difference between people who take part in homosexual behavior and people who are truly homosexuals.
2006-10-11 01:57:21 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Read what the American Psychological Association has to say on this: There is no medical basis for 'reparitive therapy' and it may actually be harmful.
Your orientation is fixed before puberty, but you can certainly deny it and modify your behaviors to appear to be straight. Nothing will fix the masturbation fantasies and dreams you have about sex with other men though.
I don't think anyone has a problem with ex-gays; but they do have a problem with preaching reparitive therapies as a salvation when it is junk science.
2006-10-10 19:13:27 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
I think the reason that people have a "problem" with ex-gays/lesbians is that they (a) are not "ex" anything, and (b) they give the (ridiculous) impression that gays 'choose' to be gay.
There is NO ex-gay ministry that states they have changed ANYBODY'S sexual orientation. All they've done is encouraged people (who were basically bisexual to begin with) to suppress their same sex attractions. In almost all cases, the patients have admitted to having same sex fantasies in order to maintain a sex life with their opposite sex mate. That is NOT being ex-gay. That is being repressed, suppressed and living a lie.
Tell the truth. Do you want YOUR daughter or granddaughter to marry an ex-gay?
2006-10-10 19:22:46 · answer #6 · answered by tristanrobin 4 · 5⤊ 0⤋
There is no such thing as an "ex-gay" You either are gay or you're not gay. End of story. Reparative therapy only suppresses the feelings they have, and most of the time it doesn't even do that. FYI- It is society that makes people want to be straight, not the person themselves.
2006-10-10 19:14:11 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 2⤋
I can only speak for myself. I don't believe there is any such thing as an ex-gay. They are gay people pretending to be straight people. I think it's sad.
It also appears these "ex-gays" are a lot like ex smokers, ex fat people, ex drug users. They hate the people that still do what they used to do. Usually people hate what they used to be so they don;t relapse.
It is really the ex-gays that hate gays.
2006-10-10 21:21:25 · answer #8 · answered by arvis3 4 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Hi, me again. Well everyone is how i made them to be, so if people "change" as you call it, I would be very interested to look at the people imposing that change and their reasons for doing so. Deep down though, like so many people say here, those that do "change" will always have to fight their natural urges. And yes, God did say "natural" urges. And that in itself says it all.
2006-10-10 19:35:15 · answer #9 · answered by God 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
It is the way you see it that is important.you see yourself as an ex-gay other people see you as never been gay only experementing!
But the real question is since you been there,What is so diffrent about gays and straights is the one without the hearth or a brain?
2006-10-10 19:45:26 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋