What the hell is everyone's problem?

Question

What is people's probelms with homosexuality and gay marraige? Just because its diffrent just like everything in the past (blacks, jews exc) people feel they have the right to discriminate. Whats even worse is when they use gods name in it. i am a very spiritual person. i have a strong realationship with god. I know that he loves me i also know he dosent want me marrying some woman and having kids just cause society says its how i should feel. People try to use the bible to say its wrong. thats wrong! only in a few spots does the bible actually say its wrong and those spots have been either mistranslatted or disregarded by the church. The cathloic pope says that "gay marraige is folly." well duh. its folly for him cause hez not gay. if two gay people wanna get married i dont see how its anyone else's concern. i dont see why people cant just leave us alone and give us marraige rights!

here is a site that anaizes every chapter of the bible that people use to say homosexuality is wrong.

thank you, Rvardell. but i dont give a **** what other people think. its when soceity says i cant marry the man i love,that i have the problem.

thank you, lizsandi. opinions are one thing but killing someone's marraige or civil union is another.

here is a site that anaizes every chapter of the bible that people use to say homosexuality is wrong. http://www.whosoever.org/bible/

thank you, officer_b... what most people dont understand is that its not a choice. Its not a choice to go on living a lie. i was straight for many years. i tried to say it was a choice and i could ignore my feelings. But if im not true to my heart then i dont c how its a choice 4 me. its so easy for people that arent gay to point the finger and just be like "well... they chose this." unfortunalty it dosent work that way. i really wish it did but it dosent. If i had a choice i would have a beautiful wife, lovely kids, and a white picket fence. But that is not possible and the more i try to lie to myslef the more i see that.

thank you theladylooking for your post. Let me remind u that you do not have to want your grand children thinking its ok. u dont have to think its ok. im just saying people shouldnt condem me and my lifestyle because it dosent match thier own. and Kay. I'd be cardeful to use the Eve refreance. For the longest time society argued that women werent as good as men because they were depicted that way in the chapters of the bible with Adam and Eve. "Eve was made from the rib so that Adam could have a woman."

oh yea, theladylooking. one more thing. true god never says its ok in the bible but does that mean he says its wrong. He clearly states that man hooking up with man for the pleasure of sex is wrong. and for man to commit adultry with another man is wrong. But it is very unclear throughout translations that god ever says its wrong to have a deep meaningful realationship with a member of the same sex for all those intressted check out this website http://www.whosoever.org/bible/. It has every passage from the bible that condems homosexuality

just to add something. My Two Cents said just cause i like to butt **** dosent make it decent. I dont think anytype of ******* is very decent. All are things people prefer to keep behind closed doors. Its not the fact that i wanna "butt ****" men that makes me gay. Its alot more than that thats goes down to my god given genetics which im sure god didnt accedently put there. Its about romantic commetment. Thats the key thing for me. When in a intimate situation i feel the need to be romantic (ie bring flowers, kiss, hold hands) with guys. I have gone out with girls and it does not work. I can pretend like it works. I have gone out for several months. but it dosent last. After awhile she starts to notice something is missing. With guys its not like that. Its because I was born with a romantic intresst in men not cause i like to buttfuck. Guys please try to open your eyes and not look at homosexuality as a perversion cause its not. I feel the same romantic needs as most straight people.

There are two Biblical same-sex relationships (one between two women, the other two men) reported in the Bible in a positive light. They appear to have progressed well beyond friendship. They were likely homosexual affairs, although not necessarily sexually active relationships:
+ Ruth 1:16, 2:10-11 between Ruth and Naomi
+ 1 Samuel 18:1-4, 1 Samuel 20:41-42 and 2 Samuel 1:25-26 between David and Jonathan. (Some translations of the Bible distort the original Hebrew text, particularly of 1 Samuel 20)

Answer 1

Look if you want to be gay, be gay. I will defend your right to be treated equally in the eyes of the law and in society. BUT DO NOT try and manipulate the Bible to make your self feel holy for doing it. Sorry but if you believe in God then you really should know that he is powerfully enough to make sure that His word to His people made it to us with out being distorted. The Bible does say that it is wrong, more then once, and all those maybes on that website of yours don't change that.

At this point I should tell you that I am Officer_Betty_Lou and I was just enjoying watching this until I saw your last comment about same sex relationships in the Bible. Now I spent 2 years studying theology under really smart Cambridge graduates and, oddly enough Jews who speak Hebrew. I also have taken time to study translation and sorry buddy but you are reaching. When you say they were "probably" same sex relationships, under what source do you get "probably". Ruth and Naomi were Mother in Law and Daughter in Law. So you are telling me that because too women bonded they must be lesbiens. I have had very close, intimate if you will relationships with women that were be no means sexual. You know I really appriciate the greek language for having different words for love like amora love (romantic), Phila (am probably spelling these wrong but Brotherly Love also friendship) and Agapa Love (Fatherly or Parental love). There are different kinds of love and our culture for some reason associates love as being always sexual. If a guys says that he loves his friend people assume he is a latent gay. As David and Jonathan both married men with children. They were best friends and they loved each other bu there is nothing but the conjecture of campaigning homosexuals to suggest other wise. When you say that the Hedrew has been distorted I would like to know your source on that. My husband speaks hebrew so I would like to see this Da Vinci code mystery or the Homosexual grail for myself. If you understood anything about translation you would know how rediculous that sounds.

Like I said if God wanted to sanction Gay Christian Marriages then I think he in his infinite wisdom would have made that one a little more clear for you instead of allowing the opposite to be stated. Now I know this conflicts with your belief that God allowed you to be "born gay" and while maybe you were, I don't know. People are born with depression yet the Bible commands us not to worry. People have also sorts of issues. You have a harder struggle to fight this temptation. Does this mean that you should marry and have kids. No. The Bible says it is better not to marry if you can so you can devote your life to God.

Answer 2

First of all; I am gay, born that way. Got married to a fellow, didn't work of course. Met my female soul mate and was totally happy until she died after 15yrs of a wonderful 'marriage' not with a piece of paper or in a church; we thought about it and decided that it was only a formality, a choice that some folks feel the need to make, we didn't. As far as the catholic pope, well..he wears a dress anyway! What would he know about the real emotions of his flock? How many priests turn to molesting boys for their own sexual gratification? HM if they were allowed to marry many lives would not have been ruined. Jesus said 'love one another, as I have loved you' and as far as searching the Bible for answers, most of these so-called Bible bashes use the words to back up their own empty heads. I am also a very spiritual person and I take great offence at these do goodies. Love and light to you.

Answer 3

Oh yes...how typical that you paint every one with the same brush. You imply that I have a problem with gays and therefore must discriminate against them. What makes you an authority on my views on homosexuality, ethnicity , religion or even the kinds of music I dislike.

I have lived in 27 different states (military and military family and relocation for job promotions). I have been to 10 foreign countries and live in 2 of them and have run into every "type" of person I can imagine. Heck, I lived in Iraq for 18 months and that was a cultural eye-opener.

My views on gays? I don't really think about gays. The brother of the best man at my wedding is gay and we get along just fine.

My son asked me what I thought about gays when he was about 15 (he is now 21) and I told him just what I just told you...basically, it's none of my business what adults do in their personal lives as long as it doesn't hurt me of my family. By that I mean if I knew someone was getting in his/her car and was drunk I would call the police. Why...besides being illegal? What if that person hit my son on the road and I hadn't stopped him?

Besides, I happen to be a Mormon and though the discrimination isn't as sever I really get tired of people asking me how many wives I have. The answer is none...been happily divorced for7years and my ex and I get along better then the last 14 years we were married.

It's your life and only you can let people's comments bother you.

Answer 4

truly people fear what they don't understand
a lot of people are brought up by people
that drill religious believes and tell people what they think and feel
like it is taught
i don't believe in religion at all i also don't believe in god
but i do under stand and respect those that do (so please don't take offence again)

i believe in my self and i believe in respecting everyone
not just those who as i call the sheep that follow the main steam in every thing but those who challenge the truth

i agree that what you say about the pope he is not gay so why should he care. after all it was a pope that out lawed all of the in breeding and homosexuality, bestiality adultery many thousands or hundreds of years ago

If we really believe we want the right to marry
why have we stopped / stalled in our campaign to be equal
because we are not

We are not equal and we are not going to get there by just letting it go by.
Our rights as GLBTI have stopped going anywhere towards equal because if we stop our efforts we will only go back ward not equal

I am sure if here in Australia
and called a Aborigine person a n--igger
You would find your self in sh!t with everyone
(i am trying to make a point don't take offense please)

Now if you made fun of a gay person it is still a joke and no one would care if it offended anybody except the gay person them selves

We need to change the "gay joke" to a "gay insult" and a "moral insult" and only then we can move on

good luck and say hello to your god for me

Answer 5

I am sorry but God allowed the Bible in its form to survive the ages so unless he comes down himself and says you can disregard these parts then all we have to go on is those parts. Several or those parts are in Old Testament books which were in there complete form in during the time of Christ which he acknowledged to be the word of God.

If you want to be gay and have to marry a man to be honest these aren't the things that I worry about. I don't like or dislike people based on their sexual orientation BUT when you are speaking as a Christian that is a different story. As Christians we have the right under God to condem such behavior within the Body of Christ. I am not Catholic so I can't comment there but what I will comment on is comparing Jews and Blacks to being gay. Jews and Blacks are always going to be Jew and Blacks and yes they have been and continue to by discriminated against. As a homosexual you do have a choice as to whether or not to act on your sexual inclinations. Now I don't believe that gay people should be treated badly just because they are gay. YOu are correct that God loves you and we as Christians should to.

I live in a country that has gay marriage rights and it doesn't really bother me if you want to have a contract stating that you are legally bound together as a straight couple would be. I think the thing that gets people antsy is Adoption and whether or not some great gay crusader is going to one day sue a Church for refusing to marry you. Adoption makes me nervious because I have know many gay men who were sexually abused as a child and I also know what the statistic to reoffending are like. That is not to say that Gay=child molester but the likely hood is great because of the personal histories. I also think that a child needs a mother and a father, not manditory but a lot better. A lot of other people feel this way and also concerned about Gay people respecting our belief that the Bible as a whole is the word of God.

I don't care how gay you are but I do care what you say about God and the Bible.

ADDITION: Sorry I just had time to read the link that you sent. I have to say I expected better. It relys a lot on maybes, maybe it could have meant this or that instead but not likely. I am not sure that the person who wrote it understands translation as well as they say. Anyway, that has nothing at all to do with excepting gays as people and for that their is no argument. I do feel for the struggle you must have especially as a believer. All I can say then is ask God, maybe you already have. I hope things work out for you anyway.

Answer 6

Are you living with the one you say you love? Where in the Bible does it say, its ok for 2 men, or 2 women to marry? I have never seen that, But I have seen where it is honorable between a man, and a woman. I do not want my grandkids growing up thinking that its natural for same sex to be together, I want my grandchildren to go to heaven, I do not want them confused ,and thinking that they can go to heaven doing such things, And I also don`t believe anyone can HONESTLY believe that doing such things, is Not a sin, and that GOD honors a marriage between same sex. Great answer Officer_b.. We do not care who you sllep with, or who you love, But it is never that simple, after marrage then what, you want kids? Oh well why do you think God made them male, and female? If its like most homosexuals say, that they have been around forever, funny that the problem only started when, they came out of the closet and wanted to go public, and marry, and adopt children to take into a home ,that leads children to believe, that this thing God calls an abomination, Is the normal way of life, And the reason these people can not reproduce is because, it is not GODS will.we do not HATE the people that do such things, but the LIE that leads them to believe that its NOT A SIN, and the DEVIL is the one decieving them.

Answer 7

Gay people can have rights if they marry the opposite sex just like everyone else.and it dose say in the Bible not to be with the same sex. If you take off your blinders and look you will find it. You can do what the hell you want with your life but I don't think you should be able to parade around my grandchildren and fill childrens minds with your foolish ideas. Go back in the closet weirdo! maybe when all you weirdos go to hell for your lusty ways maybe satan will give you all your burning gay rights

Answer 8

I think your life would be better if you didn't care so much about what other people think... and if they make fun of you, theres always hitting them with a large spiky object until they stop.. Then claim it was self defence and that they were going to beat you up for your sexual choices. It might be the only way...

and just chill for a bit, i'm betting that it'll get better. The world can stay like it is for only so long.

Answer 9

Darling, the world is waiting for you. There are states where you can marry your boyfriend and loads of great counties in Europe where you can as well. So most of the US is regressing to an ignorant state thanks to our idiot leader, who cares. Pack you bags and head for greener pastures. Thats what I did. England, Spain, Holland accept gay marraige.
Don't let it eat you up when it does not have to.

Answer 10

I'll tell you what their problem is. They're afraid of change. Afraid of what's different. Most people are stuck in the older days. But the newer generations understand homoesexuality better then anyone ever has. I, myself, am Bisexual, and whether I decide to marry a man or woman is my choice, because it's my heart, my happiness. Don't listen to what other people say. Judge not, lest ye be judged. We all have to answer to God someday, we don't have to answer to society. Good luck and Bless you.