Why have so many Democrat supporters forgotten that the Democrat leadership believed Iraq had WMDs?

Question

The majority of Congress believed in the same intelligence as the administration, but now the Democrat followers want to deny the fact that their leaders did, in fact, believe this.

Answer 1

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Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA : A different spin on Iraq war.

This WAR is for REAL!
Dr. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?

Many will say September 11, 2001.
The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut , Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).


2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessor, President Ford.

3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World?
25%.

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests).
(see http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm)

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US , but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.


So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.

We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!
Without our support Great Britain will go too. recently I read that there are more mosques in England than churches.

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslim terrorists, how could anyone else?

The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!


Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war!

For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.


And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose.
I think some actually do, I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.
These people are a serious and dangerous liability to the war effort. We must take note of who they are and get them out of office. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State s , but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world! We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.


If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses.
What is happening in Iraq is a good example. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct about the "peaceful Muslims"?
I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now, after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it!
I reiterate:

. A national election is months away.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world. Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!


Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!

Answer 2

You're incorrect.
Many democratic leaders did indeed think there was good chance of WMDs in Iraq...but two problems with your statement:
1) they did NOT get the same intelligence as the administration...in fact, most of the senate & house intelligence reports came FROM the administration...and numerous FBI & CIA employees have admitted they wrote what they were told to write, not what they believed.
2) Democrats did not start a war with Iraq over possible WMDs. Most urged the administration to work through the UN to resolve the question -- Bush pushed for invasion.

Sorry, but both republican and democratic senators and representatives were misled by the intelligence supplied by the administration. Congressmen from both parties have since said they felt betrayed and misled by the administration over the intelligence reports they were given.

Answer 3

Just because some members of the Democratic party believed Iraq had WMD's that means all people that vote Democrat thought the same thing? That's just stupid. I was very skeptical of the evidence presented to the public, as were most other liberals. The fact is - the Democratic leadership wanted to appear tough on defense so they rolled over and let the Bushies have their way with them. It was pathetic, yes, but that's just politics. The fact is - we liberals were right and you conservatives WERE WRONG. Get over it.

Answer 4

OK so, are you saying it was OK for the republicans to lie, cheat and invent intelligence out of thin air, Invade and kill tens of thousands of innocent men, women, children and the elderly and infirm? because some of the Democrats where stupid and/or selfish and/or greedy enough to fall for it?

It was OK for these lies to lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans and the mutilation of tens of thousands more americans? now you pass the buck to Democrats?

You know that more good decent american servicemen have died because of the war caused by the Republican's lies, than there were victims on 911?

You hate Al-quedda for what they did, yet the republican's lies have led directly to more deaths of americans, and there is a 911 scale devastation every month in Iraq now. But the republican leadership is OK. The same people who have protected paedophiles in Congress yet removed physical protection from the troops fighting in Iraq are OK because some Democrats swallowed their BS!

the Republicans are NOT going to get off that easy!

I hate that the democrats so cravenly rolled over and gave in to the republican's lies. AND I knew that they where lies in 2002! Bloggers working on pocket change knew they where lies, knew where those lies where coming from and knew the reasons for those lies back in 2002!

The mainstream media were complicit in those lies, as were the congress and Senate(republican and democrat alike)

I am no Democrat, but I am appalled at the lies, sleaze, perversions and cruelty of the Republicans. I am merely deeply disapointed that the democrats offered NO opposition to what was KNOWN to be lies AT THE TIME! The dodgy dossiers, the yellow cake uranium, the aluminium tubes, the links with al-queda. these where all exposed as lies AT THE TIME, yet Cheney STILL to this day spouts this utter BS.

The Republicans are lying, perverted sleaze merchants and the Democrats are craven cowards.

Answer 5

If democrats and the media hated Al Queda as much as they did Bush and our protection tension, Al Queda wouldnt exist to this present day and Bin Ladin may be caught or killed. only think of how efficient our us of a must be if the unpatriotic liberal democrats like John Kerry, Jack Myrtha, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton werent continuously undermining our foreign places coverage and our white domicile, yet definitely coming up with stable suggestions that didnt contain slamming Bush or our protection tension? Our us of a is split and as we are properly conscious from historic previous, a house divided against itself can not stand.

Answer 6

weve been over this already.

Read the archives.

I mean cmon, this is the 156,169 th time.

It would be exhaustive to go through the timeline again.
Clinton actually said Saddam was a threat like 13 years ago before the inspectors did a thorough job. Congress auth. Bush to take action if we were threatened, the inspectors made the determination of no WMD threat from iraq, Bush told them to get out and invaded anyway.. yap yap.

Answer 7

It doesn't matter who believed that Iraq had WMDS, when the intelligence was faulty to begin with. The Bush administration tweaked that information, so they could get support for a war in Iraq. Many of them have stated that if they had known the truth, they wouldn't have supported the war. Just another scare tactic brought to you buy the big liars in Washington.

Answer 8

Good question. Guess we all got duped by some bad intel. However, since the job si done, there are no WMDs to speak of, Saddam is out of power and on trial, Iraq has a new government, why are we still there? I understand support the new government, but at some time we do need to turn it over to them, and pull out. Unless, of course, we have ideas of making it our 51st state.

Answer 9

So you will use that to gloss over the fact that your idiot President lied? And it was not the same intelligence. Only doctored intelligence was shown to others.

Answer 10

maybe it's because there are no Democrat "followers" and there certainly are no Democrat "leaders".

Only Republicans have followers and leaders.

Don't be a follower.

-Jon

Answer 11

they have a medical problem called ostrich syndrome where they bury their heads in the sand or something,and amnesia is one of the symptoms