Ok I'm goona go out on a limb and see if we can be adults..?

Question

I'd like your thoughts between two presidents on facts not opinion,between the Bush presidency and the Clinton presidency. let's see if you are all smart enough to do some homework from facts(not OPINIONS!!!)I stress once again list your sources with any comments(I'm a republican,but I'm going to be impartial here to see if anyone can accept this challenge and it is costing me 5 points to give the best and most informative 10 points...I Dare You!!!

Answer 1

President Bush has not lied to a grand jury or the supreme courthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClfpG2-1Bv4
President Clinton disgraced the white house upon departure with trashing the white house;http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a70a4415f57.htm
Clinton abused his powers by last minute pardons:http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/pardons/overview.html

Bill Clinton had no respect for the office that he held and have proved that throught out his entire presidency.

Oh and Mick54..,I got a pretty good tax rebate of $600 when he gave us that tax break and I am by no means rich..,but then you have to have had a job to get it.

Altho I dont agree with Kevin M. about the war in Iraq as Bush was reacting with the intel he was given by Clintons admin and the vote to go into Iraq was unanomous but Kevin M has made some damn good points and I vote that he gets the 10.Great job Kevin M.

Answer 2

OK. First, here's my bias. I'm a conservative.

The Clinton Presidency was a placeholder presidency. Nothing of real consequence happened. Clinton had the great good fortune to be around during the birth of a new industry, which is the dot.com industry. I give credit to him for letting the new industry grow naturally, instead of sticking it with a lot of regulations and taxes, like many in his party wanted to. Because of this a lot of prosperity and jobs were created.

Clinton dropped the ball when it came to the multiple incidents of Islamic terrorism, but to be fair, he probably had no way of knowing just how bad it would become. It was always small scale and over there somewhere.

During all the prosperity of the Clinton years, he was unable to start any new or dramatic policy changes. He botched health care reform, never to touch it again. He did pass Welfare reform and NAFTA, after much goading from the GOP congress and against his own party. He did not address Social Security reform at all. He did keep a lid on spending, which allowed the economy to generate enough tax revenues to actually pay down the national debt a little bit.

Bush on the hand is a President fraught with challenges. Right off the bat, there was the disputed election. Then, he inherited a tanking economy due to the dot.com bubble bursting. Then we were hit with 9/11. Those two issues have defined his presidency. He has been trying to get the economy on track, with success, and fighting terrorism, with some success. His initial responses to 9/11 were great. Going after Osama and other terrorists, and going into Afghanistan when they resisted.

He drew a line in the sand for countries saying if you support terrorists you are our enemy. Because of this and our invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq, Libya caved in without a shot being fired. He's gone after terrorist funding, with some success, and he's beefed up surveillance, which has stopped some attacks.

Bush led us to invade Iraq, and now we know that the intelligence was wrong and that he over sold the case. We never should have gone in because their WMD program was a joke. Bush has also failed so far when it comes to stopping North Korea or Iran from developing nuclear weapons or supporting terrorists. And Bush has completely avoided dealing with the illegal immigration and border security issue, even though it certainly falls under national security.

Bush has done much of what he said he would do. He's enacted, for better or worse, the new Medicare Prescription drug benefit, just like he said he would. This is the biggest new program in 30 years. He's enacted the No Child Left Behind act that finally holds public schools somewhat accountable.

I think history will show Bush had some successes and did what he said he would for the most part, but that Iraq was a costly mistake.

One thing I note is the difference between the opposition to Clinton and Bush. Conservatives were ticked off by Clinton, we couldn't believe how he slipped out of one scandal after another, but we never hated the man and wished him dead. The Bush haters, and yes I do call them haters, truly hate the man and want to see him fail, regardless of what that does to the country. Many of them also want Bush dead and would happily pull the trigger themselves if they had an opportunity. This was lacking from Clinton. We never hated Clinton the man.

Answer 3

OK, I am a Canadian. So I don't know a whole lot about how your government works. What I do know is that Clinton had an affair....big freakin deal....did he do his job right? So he messed up like any human can do, but it didnt interfere with how he ran the country. Now we look at the state the world is in now that Bush is in charge. Has he done anything good for your country? Or has he simply added to the tension between the enemies of the US? Bush had no place sending troops into places where the war is not ours to fight. Canadians and Americans are dying for a fight that is not ours. Clinton wouldnt have allowed that from what I know. Bush is a wanna be dictator in my opinion and it terrifies me that maybe he does want this mass destruction so he can be the one to pick up the pieces...go back and look at juan peron and his climb up the governemet ladder...yes, different scenario, but similar motives.

Answer 4

I believe Clinton was a better president simply because more people liked him. Bush has done nothing but try to divide the country. "You're either with us or you're against us." His simplified worldview will harm us for years to come. Remember Vietnam? Well, it's happening again. And people have the nerve to blame Clinton for 9/11. Tax cuts for millionaires do not help the majority of the people in this country. George Bush doesn't know whats going on because he's always on vacation.

Answer 5

Well we're a democracy, power of the people for the people. The measure of the effectiveness of a democratic president is how well he served the people. There is a metric for this measure, it's called the approval rating. Clinton's Approval rating, even through an impeachment hearing remained higher than Bush's has been thus far. They have had very different presidencies marked by different politics and controversies but through it all more Americans approved of the job Clinton has done.

Answer 6

Ok...i DO have resources, but i dont think that you should take the word of the people who answer on here (althought that techically IS the purpose of this, isnt it). But Clinton's record preceedes him. He was, without doubt, one of the best presidents that our fair country has seen. He did so many good things for us, the deficit was decreases DRAMATICALLY, he proposed tighter security in airports, increased funding for terrorits tracking, and all of that, sadly to be squashed by the GOP. Just because he got a BJ...conservatives might say that was a reason for impeachment. But in fact, it had absolutely nothing to do with his reign as president.

Bush on the other hand, has started an unwarranted war, costed thousands of lives in it, will probably start another one, reduced our first ammenment right, and acted like a baboon the entire time he has been in office. Come to the good side, my brother.

Answer 7

I don't feel like listing sources so I'll just go from my personal knowledge.

Clinton was a good president. Despite being a Democrat by name, I believe he was more Republican in his actions. He also got lucky by presiding over a great boom in the American economy even though he was not responsible for it's creation. He seemed to avoid party politics much more than Bush has.

Bush's presidency has been an embarrassment to this country. I feel bad that I ever voted for him. I viewed him as the lesser of two evils, but I do not know that to be true anymore. He has turned this country into something of a theocracy while not accomplishing much. He has appointed friends, not experts, to posts and, as such, has failed miserably in the Iraq war, New Orleans, human rights, and other categories.

That should give you an indication of who the better president was. I don't feel like typing the rest.

Answer 8

It's not possible to compare the two. Clinton didn't have a 9-11 and the resulting devastation to the economy to deal with.

Answer 9

Hehe, goona?

Answer 10

the Clinton record is a failed one.