Why do liberals support surrendering in Iraq?

Question

Yes, you can argue that we never should have invaded Iraq, 20/20 hindsight showing that. But why advocate redeploying our troops (surrendering) now?

Can liberals not see that if we leave Iraq, it will be plunged into turmoil just as Afghanistan was when the Soviets pulled out? Can they not see that a Taliban like group will grab power and that women, homosexuals, and people of other faiths or sects will have their rights extinguished, not to mention their lives? Can they not see that the various ethnic groups will butcher each other? Can they not see that Iraq would then become a haven for various terrorist groups to base in, and then strike against the West? Can they not see that leaving only will embolden the terrorists? Can they not see that if we leave, we'll only have to go back in 5 - 15 years and do it again? Can they not see that America would be in far more danger by leaving Iraq than by staying?

To any liberals, can you please explain why we should surrender now?

I'm disappointed, but not surprised at the anti-war folk's answers. So far, they've asked me why I'm not over there fighting. Because I'm too old and fat and the army wouldn't take me. Also, they said we shouldn't be over there in the first place, no duh? I said that in the beginning. Or they've deflected the question.

What not a one of them has done is actually answer the question. Do they not recognize the disaster that will happen to Iraq, the US reputation, and eventually to the US itself if we just pull out without making Iraq secure first? Apparently not.

Answer 1

Your assumption is that liberals care about what happens after the U.S. withdraws. They do not. Certainly not any more than they did after they demanded we leave Vietnam (which resulted in the Killing Fields of Cambodia and merely 2 million dead).

They want us to withdraw so they can then brag that Iraq was a failure (whether it was or it was not) and so they can embarass Bush and Republicans. Period. The concern for libs is power and they will sink the whole country if they have to in order to get it back.

The "Peace" Movement has more blood on its hands than it will ever admit.

Answer 2

Can conservatives not see that Iraq has already plunged into turmoil? That it's already in a civil war? Can they not see that the insurgents are already extinguishing the lives of foreigners and other Iraqis who dare to challenge them? Can they not see that the various ethnic groups are already butchering each other, even as we speak? Can they not see that Iraq is already a haven for various terrorist groups to base in, and then strike against the coalition? Can they not see that almost 80% of the Iraqi population wants us out?

See? Liberals can play this game too.

Answer 3

not all liberals agree with cut and run. I think that would exacerbate the problem there, but i do think that we need to work on a plan to lay a real infrastructure so that iraqis can take over and american troops can come home.

i don't think anyone in washington has the answer to what to do now. the longer we are there the more we are unwelcomed, no matter what we do there it is met with resistance, but if we leave it will become a bees nest for terrorism (even worse)

i don't think that it is a lib/con issue. It is a washington issue and right now washington is doing nothing but trying to get reelected. we wont see any real plan until after the election.

Answer 4

mmmmm - I don't have the informational grab-bag that a lot of my fellows do - but I can answer as much as I can.

First off - surrender - that is not an accurate description - it's more like getting the hell out. Do you remember Cambodia? Do you remember South Vietnam - same thing - different president. The situation has become untenable and so you leave. We do it all the time. I don't know why Iraq has to be so different. We got out of Cambodia just in time to ALLOW a madman to kill millions of citizens in one of the most horrific genocides in our history. What's different about Iraq? Why do they get special treatment? Oh, now I remember: oil.

So the folks in power have decided that they're going to set up their 'center of democracy' or whatever they want to call it in Iraq - out stronghold in the Middle East. With every day that passes this little neocon fantasy get shredded more and more. Where are the grateful Iraqis greeting us with flowers? Where are they hiding? They must be there somewhere - they've been hiding for years.

So your contention is that the only reason to stay in Iraq is to keep the area stable? I would challenge you that we aren't doing a very good job at that! We are just pouring on the stability - our boys in Iraq are sitting around drinkin' Pina Coladas manning their gun stations.

And so now, we are to serve as the world police? Are we responsible for the stability of every little 3rd world country that explodes? Where do we draw the line? When do we take care of Americans that live in America? When do we stop pouring billions of dollars into the corporate war machine?

FP

Answer 5

Your boy Warner (an apt name?) is warning that the Dictator Dumbya BIg Lie Iraqi Crusade has failed. So I guess the only "conservatives" left on Dumbya's side are Laura and the OTHER family dog Buddy. Well MAYBE Chain Gang would be a loyalist to the bitter end. Down with Dictator Dumbya!!!

Answer 6

I am 'liberal' and generally vote for Democrats, but I am with you here. It only makes sense that we establish the best self-running government for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. If there are still insurgents who block a peaceful interim government, we should support and get NATO/UN to support the establishment of this new government, before we pull out.

So, now, to answer your question in short, no, i can not.

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But I want it known, on the records here, that I thought nation-building wasn't going to happen in Afghanistan. And when I heard that we were going into Iraq, I knew we were already spread too thin to create real regime change.

Answer 7

Liberals advocate anything that will send America spiraling downwards in despair during this presidency. Liberals know that we need to be there but it is in their best interest to try to destroy what we have fought hard for there so that in elections for years to come they can look back and blame Bush for even more.

Does anybody remember how much the Liberals hated Ronald Reagan and everything he did? They were unsuccessful in every attempt to destroy his programs, credibility, and government. Now, many years later, we all look back and say he was a great president, even the liberals. What does that mean? It means that liberals are interested in personal successes that further their own political futures and pork barreling, they are not interested in the country as a whole or for our general welfare.

Liberal Democrats want to be the new overseers, they want a socialist government to hand out to the masses what they feel you need while they sit back and live on Heinz fortunes and wave at the working masses from the steps of the plantation.

Answer 8

This conflict in Iraq isn't approximately "terrorism." this is approximately exploitation of oil. confident, the Bush administration is triumphing. He and Cheney have grew to become the finished us of a right into a chaotic mess. it particularly is a robust element of their e book, using fact they are able to do what they want in those oil fields. maximum individuals want not something different than to WIN. for this reason, each and every of the weekend television is dedicated to soccer. problem is now, Iraq is perceived as a dropping battlefield. it is not. Bush and Cheney have become precisely what they needed...a thoroughly destroyed Iraq...and their finished administration of the oil sales.

Answer 9

This is not an issue that is a conservative / liberal. Yes we should get out of Iraq. To leave Iraq is not a surrender their will not be a white flag and we will not agree to any terms set by the insurgents. What we will do is let the 300,000 Iraqi army stand up and take care of their own problem.

Answer 10

No one is in favor of surrendering. That means we concede to the other side (whatever it is!). Fact is, WE WON the war. It's over. But it's now an OCCUPATION, and we have no business being occupiers. The people, overwhelmingly, do not want us there. The Bushies say "When they stand up, we'll stand down", but it looks like they WON'T stand up UNTIL we stand down. Tiem to get out and amke them take responsibility for themselves, instead of wasting blood and treasure on a futile effort to be where we're doiong no good at all.