Anyone miss the days of cartoons without the RADICAL FEMINIST disease?

Question

Hey what happened to normal cartoons from the mid and late '80s like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Duck Tales, Thundercats, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Talespin, Rescue Rangers?

One thing I've noticed is that the new cartoons are very stupid girly kind with stupid humor. Notice that male heroes are non-existent and a real sense of seriousness isn't there in any cartoon anymore. It's only stupid comedy.

Feminism has infected cartoons and TV shows since the mid to late '90s and it's getting worse. This malady, along with the advertisers' greed and marketing companies just pumping out feeble-minded ads are giving me a headache.

I'm going to be starting a petition writing to my congressperson for the following:

1. End feminism on cartoons. Women should be the secondary roles usually, not dominant. Dominant male characters/heroes are very hard to find these days. It's unrealistic and stupid.

2. End stupid comedy. Have a good mix that's based on creative humor.

Out of space...

Someone said in one of the answers that men like me don't like women. I'll address that:

1. I don't want to see small kids beating up fully grown women. Stupid and tasteless.

2. I agree wholeheartedly that there should be women in cartoons. There are fine examples of them in cartoons from the '80s. April O' Neal I always liked in TMNT, there was another in Thundercats, Gadget was the brains of the Rescue Rangers and she was a girl.

"Manly" girl characters is what turns off many people these days. As does stupid comedy.

Combine the two elements with a weak plot and animation that looks like it was done by a 5 year old, and you have modern cartoons.

Answer 1

You're preaching to the choir here, brother. It's not just cartoons either, it's everything. You're right, though, there's not much out there on saturday mornings anymore. I grew up on He-Man, and Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Those were the days...sob.

Answer 2

Being from the 60's generation I would say as a male that it is not the female in cartoons ruining cartoons. Females nave always been in Cartoons. Man, go back and look at some of the old real comic books, heck even the comics are different today.
Male and females have always been teams in cartoons. Look at Granny and Tweety bird. Minnie Mouse and Daisy Duck. I never looked close enough to judge the sex of the Road Runner. Even with the Super Heroes we had Wonder Woman, Super Girl,Hawk Girl, Bat Woman and Cat Girl. Even the mystery cartoon teens were both guy and girls and if you actually watched a few thank God thee were girls on those teams cause us guys were portrayed dumb as dirt and would do just about anything for a doggy treat.
I actually like the cartoons of today like the Simpsons. Marge can be pretty hot at times.
Blame the bad cartoons of today on the Cheap round eyed Japanese cartoons of today that all started back in the 80's with G Force. That's when cartoons started running down hill and the momentum just spiraled out of control.
Put the blame for the terrible cartoons of today where it belongs. Not on women but on the Networks that out source for cheap material. If you want to draft a petition and collect names that would be an excellent idea. The petition would do no good going to a Congressman but if sent to a Bigwig at a Network it may get some attention.

Answer 3

You know, I am a cartoon Efficianado for many years - and if there is anything that has killed the cartoon today it is these:

Anime
Anime and it's cheap save a frame animation and ugly characters has ruined Cartoon Network for me almost completely

Nickelodeon
Nick has the most disgusting, toilet humor and bad attitude cartoons for kids that I have ever seen

At this point in cartoon history, beloved Tex Avery and others like him are a thing of the past and instead we have ugly rounded headed outline characters like south park, Dexter, Power Puff girls and Johnny Bravo. In fact, the only decent cartoons on tv these days are the ones that go too far, like Family Guy, Robot Chicken - and then there is the truly disgusting like Drawn Together and a long list of crap that Adult Swim is putting out.

I don't see feminism in cartoons today. I see cheap lazy animators that are letting the writing carry the shows right into the Toilet. Where are the great cartoons of yester-year? Thundar the Barbarian, 3d Transformers, even GI Joe in the 80s was good. Let's see more of the Hall of Justice and Legion of Doom brought to the modern day, keep the Simpsons and junk the rest.

Peace!

PS - You know the 80's is where feminism started in cartoons right? Aeon Flux, Wonder Woman, GI Jane. Don't try to pin the demise of the art form on to us skirts.

Answer 4

I suppose the "stupid comedy" you're referring to is found in shows like SpongeBob? It's hard to know what shows you're using as a basis since you didn't mention them.

I completely agree with ending "stupid comedy". I wholeheartedly wish for the revival of creative humor.

Disagree with your point #1. Dominant male heroes are NOT hard to find these days (the current version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward doesn't even have a female character like April O'Neil, other examples of current series with male heroes include Naruto, The Batman, Ben 10, Danny Phantom, and really this list could keep going...). Women can be excellent dominant characters leading serious animated programming. Just because most writers/directors don't choose to make it happen doesn't mean it isn't possible.

What is most important is a balance of interesting male AND female characters. True feminism calls for this balance, not for the dominance of women over men.

Sure, there can be shows that are pitched for "guys" and those that are pitched for "girls", because that helps marketers reach their audience. Most of these shows are fluff to sell merchandise, but they have their purpose. Both types of these shows, the ones for guys AND the ones for girls don't have much substance, and none should really be expected.

Now for some examples of good, balanced tv animation:

Justice League/Unlimited - This series is well balanced with many strong men AND women whose characters are diverse, unique and very interesting to follow.

Avatar: The Last Airbender - An excellent example of a series with a serious plot, and lots of creative humor.

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - Still don't think women can make excellent lead characters in a serious series? Then please check this one out. It's a well-balanced, intriguing story.

Answer 5

1. No, without those feminist cartoons we would be stuck in the stone age and I do not want to go back to that. When my daughter watched X-Men and she still does, I notice as I am watching it too, that Jean Grey, Storm, Jubilee, and Rogue are female characters that have been through a lot and they are good role models for young women who are going through a painful adolescence. My daughter was able to look at these characters and go, "Wow, my life was not so bad after all." That says a lot.

2. This I will agree on. Comedy and a storyline are needed.

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Answer 7

1: disagree
2: agree

I think there should be a good mix.
Dora the Explorer is the most popular cartoon for at least 5 years straight.
I like the educational value of it for my 3 year old.

But I also miss good ol' Wylie Coyote!

Answer 8

In case you haven't noticed, at least half the world is female.
Don't you think you could give up a little cartoon time to that half?

Answer 9

uh not really the marketplace ultimately decides what gets made for long. best example is captain planet. the producer OWNED the network and couldnt keep that piece on the air

Answer 10

I agree. The only good classic show on that I can find is Tom and Jerry. Bring back the classics, stop the new crap.