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I want this to be the end-all-be-all of arguments against religion but not in a malicious way. Yes, lots of anger is involved on my part and on the part of other non-religionists, but that anger stems mostly from the fact that we are persecuted because we use our brains. We get painted as horrible, wicked people when in reality we are usually even more ethical than these so-called Christians. They impose their views on us and we are ostracized for not conforming to their beliefs. Christians may say that they are the ones that are victimized and persecuted, but I don't call it persecution when the attacks are provoked by them. They condemn people and then play the victim when someone reacts, like I am doing. I don't hunt down Catholics and persecute them; I am hounded by them everyday. I want this to be written as less of an attack and more of a defense on our part, a defense of we who want to enjoy life and think for ourselves without persecution. Contact me if you want to contribute.

2006-10-07 16:43:27 · 8 answers · asked by conundrum 1 in Arts & Humanities Philosophy

I think i should add this: the very values that these religious people preach and advocate and strive for are anit-life. Before you fly off the handle and get your panites in a twist, let me explain. I advocate not killing people. I advocate not harming people(usually). I don't like how everything that makes up the substance of life are so wrongly labeled as "sin". I'm talking about ambition, pride, greed, envy, plus a whole slew of other petty things. It's as if they went and found all the things that people can do and want to do and labeled them "sin". Then they labeled all the things that are against our nature and labeled them "virtuous". Just imagine honestly without thinking in grandiose religious imagery, imagine what it would be like if everyone stopped sinning. It would be as if everyone were in a coma. Sinlessness would mean nothingness. And some will say, "No, not everything's a sin". Well, that's because you rationalize things so you don't think of them as sins. Delusional.

2006-10-08 13:52:01 · update #1

They twist religion around, omitting all of their infractions of the "divine law", including and enforcing only those parts that suit them. They don't realize that everyone's going to die and turn into nothing. They don't realize that trying to lead a sinless life leads to nothingness, only it brings nothingness about sooner. Think about it: someone "sins", then they stop sinning. What does that accomplish? Nothing, except it slowly strips them of their humanity. Since these people don't realize that, according to their religions, everything that makes up life is a sin, they don't realize that what they are really striving for is to stop living, to stop doing everything. Who's conception of perfection is sinlessness? Not mine. Without the things that are so wrongly labeled "sin"(and that's all it is, a label), life would not be life. Why call it "sin" or "falling short" or "imperfections"? Sinlessness is not even a desirable state. I think it's the same as being dead.

2006-10-08 14:06:31 · update #2

8 answers

Calm down dude.

2006-10-07 16:51:37 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Vitriolic people come in all shapes, sized and, yes, faiths. A lot of them are atheists. Your problem is not with religion. Your problem is with close-minded domineering people.
As for proving religions are wrong, you can't do it. You can't disprove things. If I tell you there's a big blue monster standing next to you, but you could only see him if you were a leprechaun, you can't disprove that. Doesn't seem likely, but you can't disprove it.
But to get back on track, your beef really isn't with religion at all. Some of the most interesting ideas have been developed by religious people (say what you will about Thomas Aquinas, but he was no dummy). You could spend your life trying to argue with religious people (some of whom can come up with pretty tricky arguments) only to find out your enemy was never religion in the first place.
I abhor fundamentalism just as much as you do, don't get me wrong. But fundamentalists are just one particular group of religious people who give the others a bad name. The problem with fundamentalists is that they deny reason and dialog itself. They will not reexamine their beliefs and their faiths will not evolved. But some atheists are exactly the same way. There's really not much you can do in the end. I just shrug it off now.

2006-10-07 17:11:08 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Deep breath. I feel your pain, but not all Christians are like that. It's just that the real Christians, who actually follow Jesus' word without judging everyone, are so much quieter than the other kind. Don't start making claims that Christians don't use their brains; it's not helping anyone and it's not true. Some of our greatest minds were Christian, after all.

2006-10-07 17:04:21 · answer #3 · answered by random6x7 6 · 0 0

Anything that is based on a negative, "anti-", is pretty weak for an undertaking such as this. A positive, "the case for x", would be better.

Rather than define myself as an atheist (what I am not - a neg), I define myself as an objectivist (what I am - a pos).

Many mystics flip out at athiests b/c they think we merely are dead-in-the-head anti-ethical corps. It's better to be defined by what you are than what you are not.

2006-10-07 17:21:25 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I think by calling and spelling it "anti religion" and using the charged term "manifesto" you're maybe being inaccurate to what you seem to mean in the paragraph which follows.

I would be totally up for helping with an arguement about "Freedom FROM religion".

2006-10-07 17:06:41 · answer #5 · answered by Jessie 5 · 0 0

Not me...i
have to go to bed now and get ready to go to the celebration circle. they are a non religious yet very enlightening group who celebrate the world of spirituality.
Peace on you my brother

2006-10-07 18:45:51 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Ask Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Edi Amin, Fidel Castro, Lenin, .......Heck, maybe Lucifer Satan can give you some inspiration.........With your BIG Brain I'm sure you'll figure out something........Good Luck with that!!

2006-10-07 16:58:21 · answer #7 · answered by Mr. US of A, Baby! 5 · 1 1

we as Christians have love in our hearts ,yes we sin and fall short ,but God is so merciful he love us not because but in spite of,I dare you to try Jesus, where will you spend eternity
what in hell do you want!

2006-10-07 16:58:27 · answer #8 · answered by elizabeth_davis28 6 · 0 0

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