What is an ESTABLISHMENT of a RELIGION? Prayer in school? Ten Commandments in public?

Question

The Myth of Separation: What is the correct relationship between Church and State? written by David Barton gives an excellent example of how liberalism has taken what the Founding Fathers original intent was and turning it around to mean just the opposite in today’s modern America. The answer can be easily understood by knowing the exact definition of “religion” in which Barton gives the original 1828 Webster’s meaning of the word:
RELIGION. Includes a belief in the being and perfection’s of God, in the revelation of his will to man, and in man’s obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in man’s accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties... the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion. (30)

This definition makes five distinctions that would totally destroy the present day understanding of the First Amendment. Satanism, secular humanism, and atheism would not be included within the Supreme Courts definition of religion because these belief systems do not feel an obligation to God.
An establishment of religion does not exist without fulfilling the requirements of a religion: a creed; rites and ordinances; ministers; and tests. In light of this prayer in school is not an establishment of a religion. By using government charts (see inserts) Barton exposes the traumatic affect taking prayer out of schools has had on the United States. The Constitution use to be interpreted under the philosophy of natural and divine law. In the past century many Constitutional decisions have been made under the philosophies of legal relativism and positivism.

The Courts express these philosophies with the attitude:
1.There are no objective, God-given standards of law, or it there are, they are irrelevant to the modern legal system.
2.Since God is not the author of law, the author of law must be man; it is law simply because the highest human authority, the state, has said it is law and is able to back it up.
3.Since man and society evolve, law must evolve as well.
4.Judges, through their decisions, guide the evolution of law.
5.To study law, get at the original sources of law -- the decisions of judges; hence most law schools today use the “case law” method of teaching law. (Myth 204)

David Barton points out that it wasn’t until Abington v. Schempp in 1963, that, “the Court made its first open and absolute repudiation of the Bible ... in public affairs.” His book America: To Pray or Not To Pray? gives a comprehensive look at how this philosophy and rejection of God’s will has affected the whole American society.

Answer 1

All the founding fathers wanted was freedom of religion. They did want the state setting religions parameters or a single state recognized religion that was the only religion allowed. Such as Britain and France had at the time. They did not want the State in religion, they had no problem with religion in the state. They would have had no problem with the ten commandments in the Court, or a Koran, or prayer in school. They started the practice of prayer in congress. Liberals are for the most part atheists. Simply a minority forcing the majority to their beliefs. The idea of liberalism is the individuals needs override societies as a whole. Me first everyone else second. We are a republic based on majority rule. Make it simple. Put it to a vote and the majority wins

Answer 2

Have you ever heard the saying, "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it". If we allowed religion in schools I think the lofty goals would go south quickly. Religion is a very private subject and it is best left to private moments.

Answer 3

For some people God is a bunch of coincidences, to others is the one who plan everything, others just walk the middle path. Regardless, no one have proved their point...

Answer 4

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