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and was hit by a pigeon, injuring my shoulder. Could anyone work out the impact weight of pigeon if i was travelling at 60mph. The Pigeon was also flying. Ta

2006-10-03 05:29:06 · 13 answers · asked by GRILL 2 in Science & Mathematics Physics

No sorry the pigeon died

2006-10-03 06:30:51 · update #1

it was more of a glancing blow rather than a direct hit

2006-10-03 08:22:32 · update #2

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The momentum equation [mv1 + MV1 = (m + M)V2]
is just half of the story. F = ma is the other half. Force (F) is like weight in that they are both in Newtons or Pounds in general. In fact weight is just a special name given to force stemming from the pull of gravity rather than other sources of force.

As most answerers indicate, you haven't given us enough info to answer your question. But you can make a WAG; here's how:

Start with mv1 + MV1 = (m + M)V2; where m is that little bitty bird and M is you and your bike initially traveling at v1 and V1 mph respectively. After the collision, the bird is stuck on you momentarily; so you, the bike, and the bird together are going V2 = 60 mph = 88 ft/sec But since the bird is so very tiny and defenseless, V2 = V1 = 88 ft/sec; that is, the impact didn't slow you down one bit.

So we can rewrite mv1 + MV1 = (m + M)V2 to be mv1 + MV2 = (m + M)V2 and mv1 = (m + M)V2 - MV2 = mV2 This leads to m(v1 - V2) = 0; which, if we divide by delta t (the time it took to change the bird's initial velocity (v1) into your velocity (V2 = 88 ft/sec), we have m(v1 - 88)/delta t ~ ma = F the force of the impact.

We don't know the mass of the bird (m), its initial velocity before iimpact (v1), and the delta t it took for the bird's velocity to become yours. But we can insert some reasonable values just to get a feel for the magnitudes of force that seem feasible.

For example, what do we get if we WAG m = .05 slug, v = 22 ft/sec, and delta t = .5 sec? That gives us F = (.05 X 22)/.5 = 2.2 pounds. Does that seem reasonable, given how it felt when you hit that bird? By the way m = .05 slug is the equivalent to about 1.6 pounds of bird weight. That may be a bit high; birds are very light compared to their size.

Anyway, there is the physics and how to work the problem. If you had some real data, you could work the problem precisely. Without that real data, however, you can still WAG it to get feasible possibilities.

2006-10-03 06:32:58 · answer #1 · answered by oldprof 7 · 0 1

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2016-12-04 04:16:11 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

I will try to help with this but the collision speed on impact would have been around 120mph,this is calculated at a joint speed.
and the weight of the pigeon needs to be calculated and multiplied by ten,the approximate weight of a full grown pigeon is about 3lb so that would be 30lbs in weight with an impact speed of 120mph.
To give you an idea the human head weighs about ten pounds so if you can imagine its quite heavy.
I hope you understand this OK.

2006-10-03 05:47:31 · answer #3 · answered by mentor 5 · 0 1

Use the law of conservation of momentum:

Model yourselves as particles in a head on collision

mv1 + MV1 = mv2 + MV2

M is the mass of you and you motor bike in kg
V1 is your initial velocity - 60 mph in ms^-1
V2 is you velocity after the collision hope you know this and didn't brake - it makes the model complicated.
Assume the velocity of the pigeon was 0 after the collision
Go back, pick up the pigeon and determine its mass.

Work out the velocity of the pigeon before impact. Hence work out its momentum before the collision.

2006-10-03 05:40:29 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

You need the weight of the pigeon and the speed it was travelling, otherwise you are just guessing!

2006-10-03 05:37:39 · answer #5 · answered by psychoticgenius 6 · 0 0

Was the poor pigeon ok?

2006-10-03 05:32:16 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

If it were a swallow I may have been able to help, however I'm not too good with pigeons.

2006-10-03 05:31:41 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

you would need more details for an acurate answer, i.e. point of impact, area of bird that made initial contact with you, angle of impact, speed and direction of bird with respect to your speed and direction. Its all rather boring really. you can look up conservation of momentum and guesstimate the numbers.

2006-10-03 07:29:46 · answer #8 · answered by Derek B 1 · 0 0

And you were still on your motorbike that impact should of been like you hitting a wall with your fist sure you were not dreaming

2006-10-03 05:33:47 · answer #9 · answered by colin050659 6 · 0 0

60 mph = 27m/s

The kinetic energy is then about 360 J.
This is about equivalent of you falling onto your shoulder from about 0.5m high.

2006-10-03 07:29:03 · answer #10 · answered by THJE 3 · 0 0

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