I'll answer your questiuon WITH a question. Why, pray tell, are you using the "unreal conditional" in your inquiry?
To start, democracy has been "hijacked" on more than one occasion, especially in the presidential elections. Probably the most flagrant examples in recent times have been "Kennedy/Nixon" 1960:
"Some Republicans alleged that Kennedy benefited from vote fraud especially in Texas and Illinois. There is no certainty that Nixon would have won both Texas and Illinois (which he would have had to do to win the electoral vote). What is certain, however, is that in Illinois, Kennedy won by a bare 9,000 votes, and Mayor Daley, who held back Chicago's vote until late in the evening, provided an extraordinary Cook County margin of victory of 450,000 votes."
Even I, a lifelong Democrat, believe that Daley "cooked the books" on that one.
And then, of course, there have been George W. Bush's two election "wins" - with the Florida vote being extremely "fishy" in 1999 and the Ohio vote having the same odoriferousness in 2003.
So much for "democracy." Now, as for "freedom", well,
here's one man's opinion:
"Hundreds turn out for screening of Aaron Russo's "America: From Freedom to Fascism" By Kat Dillon About 300 people attended the We the People Foundation (http://givemeliberty.org) screening of Aaron Russo's new movie, "America: From Freedom to Fascism" in Londonderry on Sunday March 26th. Russo's movie delved into a wide array of subjects, from the Federal Reserve system, lack of accountability from Fort Knox gold reserves, the legality of the Federal Income Tax, IRS abuses of the innocent, lack of constitutional restraint, similarities of the US to a police state, The New World Order, the upcoming National ID Card, to abuses of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology.
The film's impetus was the Truth-in-Taxation Movement's claim that the Federal Income Tax does not apply to most people living and working in American. The We the People Foundation has been asking the government a simple question, "Where is the law that says average Americans have to pay taxes on their wages?" Easy question, right? But since 2002, the Federal Government and the IRS have refused to answer this straightforward question. The Supreme Court has ruled that the 16th Amendment did not confer to the government any new taxation powers (Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co.) The movie points to lower court judges blatantly refusing to allow this Supreme Court decision be entered into evidence in trials of tax resisters. Ex-IRS Commissioner Sheldon Cohen ended the interview when asked about this Supreme Court decision, rather than answer Russo's questions about it.
The issue of the Federal Reserve has surprises for even those familiar with the subject. In 1913, the power allotted to Congress to coin money was handed over to a private group of banks otherwise known as the Federal Reserve. Author Franklin Saunders asks, "Why have we given a monopoly of creating money out of thin air to a private corporation?" That the public is not allowed to even know what banks are a part of the Federal Reserve is driven home by author Michael Ruppert. Toward the end of the movie, it is revealed that there has not been an accounting of the gold in Fort Knox in recent history.
In an interview with Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, Paul states, "You have to get permission for almost everything. If that's a definition of a police state, that you can't do anything unless the government gives you permission, we're well on our way." Dramatic footage brings the police state into focus with a Florida woman being repeatedly tasered to her pitiful screams of pain. Her crime? Driving with a suspended license. Another woman is tasered while huddled on the ground. She had been protesting.
Programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis is questioned at a hearing about programs for the new electronic voting machines, "Mr. Curtis, are there programs that can be used to fix elections?" Curtis replies with a definitive, "Yes." And when asked if he thought the Ohio presidential election in 2004 was rigged, he said that it appeared to have been.
New Hampshire activist and Spychips author Katherine Albrecht is interviewed in the movie about the dangers of RFID technology. She paints a frightening picture of our every move, our every purchase being tracked by the government in the near future. With the use of RFID in money, you could not make purchases with regular money without the approval or knowledge of the government. To be a political dissident would be a condemnation to live completely outside normal society.
At the end of the movie, Russo poses the very apt question, "What are you going to do about it?" He first poses the idea of civil disobedience, a great suggestion, which I think he should have stuck with. The movie screams for revolt. But he dilutes the whole message of the movie by then suggesting electing people who will not do these horrible things to us, even after making it clear that the elections are rigged. He would have done well to stick with the idea of non-violent, non-cooperation in the tradition of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. I wonder if Mr. Russo realizes the power of such action. It cannot be ignored, and puts pressure on everyone to act. It is feared by government more than any other means of resistance, for good reason. They must have our consent to enslave us. They are too few, and we too many for it to be otherwise."
And here's another's
"Just last week there were 7 murders, 36 rapes, and 334 robberies in New York City. This is considered a cause for great celebration by the police, since the numbers are much lower than a decade ago, and New York is now the safest large city in the United States. (Check the stats here.) Tell that to my friend. For that matter, tell that to my wife, who has to take a cab home from work a few blocks away because it is not safe to walk home late at night (no, we don't live in a particularly unsafe area). I, who am a 190 pound man, feel nervous riding the subway at night. What chance do lone women have? This is ludicrous. Why isn't there a greater uproar about the fact that, despite all the continually-vaunted freedoms in this country, no decent citizen of this city (or any other) is free to even take a walk in a park after dark, without taking their lives in their hands? Why do we have to be constantly nervous about being physically attacked and grievously injured? Why aren't there demonstrations every single day protesting the fact that we cannot sit at the edge of the Hudson River in Riverside Park at night and look at the stars? Why can't I? Why can't the government protect me? Crime is the single-greatest restriction on my right to move around and enjoy my life as I see fit. So why isn't anyone upset about it?
People have gotten used to it. No one even notices anymore. Oh, you should have seen what things were like in the 80s, they say. If someone is mugged in a "bad" area at night, people routinely blame the victim: "What was she thinking walking around alone over there?" This is like the old "she was asking for it" attitude toward rape. She was walking alone, because IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL FOR HER TO DO SO and IT IS HER RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO WALK WHEREVER SHE DAMN WELL PLEASES. THAT'S WHY! Shouldn't the question be, why the hell was she mugged? Why are people routinely slapped on the wrist, even when they are caught, for violently attacking others? I believe there should be much more severe punishment for anyone convicted of physically assaulting people. It should just be seen as unacceptable, and rewarded with long prison sentences.
Who knows what psychological scars this assault will leave on my friend, not to mention the more than 5,000 other victims of armed robbery and assault last year, in this city alone. What kind of freedom is this?"
And, of course, many libertarians think freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose (see link below.)
So, as usual, it all depends on how you define democracy and freedom - and where the limits and boundaries, if any, are.
Personally, I happen to think that, given human nature, the system of government and the amount of democracy and freedom that we have the the USA, while hardly perfect, is better than anywhere else. However, to quote a "Republican" politician:
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson
There will always be attempts, made by those for whom money is the supreme end, to subvert democracy and to curtail freedom. Perhaps we should bear in mind another quote, this time by "V":
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
2006-10-01 11:22:08
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