with all the gun crimes thats been happening in london and else where should we bring back national service !?

Question

crime and punishment

Answer 1

yes great idea that would teach the kids real respect, and turn them into proper adults instead of layabouts that just leave school and hang around in towns abusing older people.

Answer 2

gun crime is on the rise every where, i once asked a Sgt major about national service, he said why should the armed forces be forced to take all the rubbish that no one else wants, and the ppl who don't want to be there any way, when prison and the community cant make a difference.. they want ppl who are keen and willing.. I can understand this, but even though for years I have been against boot camps as they often go against human rights, i feel differently these days.. however to make huge political decision based on desperation would not necessarily have the end results we hope for.. and what do ppl do when they leave national service, when they still have no jobs or an attitude to die for and then the full working knowledge of war fare on top?

Answer 3

We should bring back national service, but not for it to be used as a punishment, we should tighten the laws when it comes to punishments, not give them military training. I am for national service, just not as a punishment, and its not just london that has gun crime, almost every major city in Britain has it, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford, Chester, Newcastle, Birmingham, all these cities have a problem with gun crime, teaching a criminal how to use a weapon isn't a good ieda, its a very sad thing to teach criminals how to kill someone. The forces shouldn't be responsible to train the scum of Britain, peple should learn a bit of self discipline, and if they don't learn that early on in life, why should anyone teach it them?

Answer 4

When you learn how to use anything properly, be it a weapon or a tool or a toy, you become more responsible with it. Some people don't, but most do. This doesn't mean I support compulsory military service; I am actually against it for many unrelated reasons.
As for this aspect of it, I think it is VERY UNWISE to select gun criminals for intensive military weapons training. But do realize that guns themselves aren't the cause of these crimes any more than cars are the cause of deliberately running someone over.

I think that if these criminals had to wonder whether you law-abiding British citizens were armed or not, then they would think twice before assaulting you with those pesky guns that they have, but you don't.

Answer 5

If you compare statistics for deaths by gunshot between London and any major US city, you'll see why we are right to limit guns. It seems there may be a relationship between having a gun and shooting someone, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. (Thanks, Bill Hicks)

National Service is a waste of time, effort and manpower. My father spent 2 years in the 1950s in various RAF stations bored silly, in situations where 6 men were given work that would struggle to occupy two of them.

National service ended because the forces didn't want huge numbers of unwilling conscripts to look after. Instead we made the decision to concentrate our military spending on properly training a small volunteer force, with the result that we have an army, navy and air force, the professionalism of which is the envy of the world.

Why you think there is any link between rising gun crime and lack of national service is beyond me. There seems to be a trend for stupid questioners to link two unrelated themes in an attempt to justify their own petty prejudices.

Answer 6

While I am a fan of National Service for its abilities to build character and develop personalities, I can't see it curing the violent crime rate that's escalating around the world capitals. It is a Law and Order issue and should addressed from that perspective. National Service would most certainly teach minority criminals how to behave but I doubt very much that it would solve the overall problem.

Answer 7

Surely this would just compound the problem as you would be teaching young people how to use weapons which are now more freely available than they were in the fifties. I think with the current culture it would be very difficult to reintroduce national service without a public backlash. It would also not fit in well with the current government's plan to get at least 50% of young people into Higher Education.

However it would be possible to have tougher sentences for offenders, and a bootcamp style of training for young offenders. If you make the sentence tougher then it may well act as a deterent and giving young people that offend a skill (ie basic training or plumbing which was received through national service) would give them hope for when they get out.

Answer 8

I certainly think there should be a stronger form of punishment and re-education combined. So yes, something like National Service or a Boot Camp style.

As long as it teaches these people, self-respect, respect for others, how to behave in society, teaches them to read and write and hopefully a skill - other than being able to use a gun - and if they re-offend, then they get locked up - hard labour - and have the key thrown away.

Answer 9

I fail to see how National Service will reduce gun crime. It will just give Blair and co more low cost soldiers to send to Iraq and Afghanistan to get killed.
Execute anybody carrying a gun with intent. That should reduce the problem BUT as we are now importing criminals with 'Human Rights' it will never happen.
RoyS.

Answer 10

I dont know about national service, its training them to fight professionally.

Boot camps on the other hand, or public humiliation, as in the stocks would be good, being made to walk round the area they terrorize with placards say what they have done,

But something needs to be done, because these little hooligans are the future of the world, god help us.

Answer 11

I thought that in countries where terrorism is common it's because people have been trained to use weapons. In the UK we have street crime but not much terrorism, let's not make things worse. Plus, my late teenage years coping with homophobic bullying in a homophobic town, where my family were targeted because of my sexuality, was stressful enough without being drafted thank-you