South Africans.....are you aware of this website?

Question

Is the ANC government telling you the truth about crime? Thats the reason I left! But the ANC want you to believe that the crime situation is improving. Is it? Heres a website to assist you to make up your own mind.....

http://www.crimexposouthafrica.org/

Thanks guys for responding. Infectious, you certainly know how to present a case. Your points are well made. I am in no way an apologist of the CESA website. Sitting here in Sydney (with lots of family still in Cape Town) its difficult to pass judgement. The truth is though that crime has got steadily worse in the 8 years since I left. I would really like SA to be rid of it once and for all (well most of it then!), but it would be folly to ignore whats on CESA, if only half of it is true. I cant trust the ANC as they want to stay in power, so their statistics are worthless. I like what you say about finding a solution. But without the POLITICAL conviction to throw more and more resources at the problem, my fear is that its going to get worse. Just look at the quality of people flooding in from Nigeria and other corrupt places up North. I wish I could be more optimistic, I really do, but I am not forecasting an improvement anytime soon, certainly not before the World Cup. Groete!

Answer 1

'Infectious' used that exact same diatribe to answer a similar question of mine.

The plot of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' is being played out in what used to be South Africa, and, typical of Marxist propaganda, any attempt at revealing the truth, like the afore mentioned website, is now demonized as propaganda itself, by the terrorist thugs now running South Africa.

Into the ground.

Anria - you've just described a war zone. Wake up.

Answer 2

I'm studying here in London, and it is hard for me to judge the crime as well.
But when the crime expo site first launched it caused a uproar amongst South Africans this side.
You'd assume that having moved to this side they'd be less patriotic, but the SA times and Die Stem (both South African papers in London) where filled with letters from South Africans, all who had visited the site and agreed that it was one sided and biased (most went as far as to say that only a bitter white racist male would start such a thing).
Whatever the motivation was to start this site, it is a case of cutting off our own noses to spite our face.
South Africa can only improve with the help of foreign investors, and they are simply being chased away by these nasty folk who are hoping apartheid would come back.
I've seen the site, and think it's very biased.
I wont deny that there is crime in SA, (just like there is here in London, I've been robbed twice here already, never in SA), but there are still places in SA where kids walk home from school, and people don't have barb wire fences around their homes.
I lived in Scottburgh (near Durban) and go visit my family there every year, and we still go for walks on the beach at night.
Johannesburg is bad, and so are the farm killings, but that doesn't make the whole SA a war zone.

Answer 3

A furore has surrounded the launch of the new crime exposure website (and subsequent southafricaiscr*p and africancrisis type sites and blogs) claiming to expose the truth about the crime situation in South Africa. People on both sides of the debate are running around frantically trying to convince the public of their version of the truth.

Perversely, the main casualty in what should be a very serious debate is truth itself as both sides have become adept at wielding the sceptre of convenient morality and dubious fact.

On the one side of the crime divide we have members of our government denying the claims of rampant crime in our society.

On the other, we have members of the citizenry claiming that we are turning into a corrupt crime ridden war-zone led by a quasi-Zimbabwean cabinet.

One member of government has told the whiners to ship off if they are not happy here and the Crimexpo-Southafricaiscr*p-Africancrisis brigade will have you know that you will be killed within ten seconds of stepping out of your home (guaranteed) - everywhere in South Africa.

Both these views are skewed, unrealistic and untruthful.

Crime is our nemesis and no amount of spin doctoring from either side will solve a very real and serious problem affecting the lives of many South Africans.

There is no acceptable crime level. One rape, assault or murder per 100 000 people is unacceptable - it is one too many.

How will either approach provide a solution?

The Denialists won’t admit to a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist. The SouthAfrica-Is-Turning-Into-Zimbabwe camp will claim that the websites and blogs they have set up is the answer “because we are letting the world know how violent South Africa is and people are starting to talk about the crime.”

Talk is cheap. Meanwhile people are being killed, raped, hijacked and mugged. Solutions need to be found in the real world - not around the coffee table or in cyber space. And we shouldn’t solve the crime problem because the World Cup is coming to SA either. We need to solve the crime problem because it is the right thing to do and it needs to be done – for us, for our children and for our future as a people.

When you question the various role players concerning their solutions (or lack thereof) the There-Is-No-Crime party will staunchly declare “Crime. What crime?”

Meanwhile, the SouthAfricaIsCr*p-CrimeRidden-AndInACrisis team will knit their brows and question your intelligence by comparing it to an ape or a dolphin, call you a failed leftist politician and utter in dulcet tones: “Just wait until someone rapes your daughter or something bad happens to you.”

You may even be called wonderfully childish names by Anonymous (who comes across as a schizophrenic, paranoid drug user) on an internet forum and be informed that, because you question their dubious actions, certain individuals are “tracing you” in the grand tradition of Apart-Hate (after they declare that things were better when Apart-Hate was around). If you’re lucky you may even be called a Liberal.

What do you call a person who lies to promote an evil agenda? A liar.
What do you then call a person who lies to further a good cause? A liar?

If you lied to protect the Jews you were safely harboring from the Nazis in World War Two, it would be perfectly understandable and acceptable.

However, when you lie to the public by denying the seriousness of the crime problem or lie by sensationalizing our crime situation in South Africa you inflict damage upon a cause that needs serious, truthful, objective and level headed sustainable solutions.

The global community is being asked to judge whose actions are correct and to act accordingly. However, this case needs to be thrown out and a fresh, truthful one needs to take its place. One cannot make a decision that will lead to a genuine solution based on a) no evidence or b) untruthful evidence.

Answer 4

I hope so, seein' that i live in JHB. Crimes pretty hectic here man!