People try and use the rational explanation of there must be a creator if there was a creation, or the new way of saying it, if things were designed, there must be a designer.
But there is no rationality to God, except when you look at how religions have developed over the years. Then you can see that it is all merely a social control, and as civilization has advance so too has our religions, starting as animal worship, then many gods for many things, now most people like to think of one God which makes it easier to centralize power.
The supernatural cannot be explained, because it doesn't exist anywhere outside the delusional brains of crazy people. You cant rationally explain things that dont exist.
2006-09-26 15:58:41
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answer #1
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answered by Game Theorist 2
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a lot of theologians have disagreed. in fact i think its the position of the catholic church that god can be proved rationally. many christian philosophers are famous for having tried to do so.
A big problem with saying that reason, logic, or evidence can't be used to explain god is that you then have no way of trying to determine which belief system you should have. for example, if neither christianity's god nor hinduism's gods can be examined using logic or reason (and without logic or reason, evidence is pointless) then neither religion can say objectively that the other is false. And if you broaden what can't be examined by logic or reason to include everything supernatural, you have a real problem. Ghosts, fairies, dragons, etc. can all be believed in and there are then no means of determining which beliefs are likely to be true and which are likely to not be true.
Its good to keep an open mind, but if it is too open, you lose any ability to distinguish likely from unlikely beliefs. You need some standard to distinguish "good" beliefs (the ones more likely to be right) from "bad" beliefs (the ones more likely to be wrong.) Usually logic, reason, evidence, and pragmatism provide justifications for belief. If you discard these, on what basis can you say that believing invisible leprechauns pull your car around is not a "good" belief? To go back to religion, if reason and logic cannot be used to judge the validity of a religious belief, saying that that religious belief is true is pointless. If it is true from a subjective standard, like faith, religions can never do anything other than shout at each other, since all have subjective standards that prove they are true. Christians had better hope that god can be proven or examined using some universal standard (evidence, logic, etc.) otherwise the basis for their belief is no more justifiable than that of the ancient greeks.
2006-09-26 17:10:58
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answered by student_of_life 6
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This is a very serious question. Just to share my thoughts here.
Logic and math, together with science, evolve with our progressions, and add to our understandings towards this world we live in. Before we discovered that the world is round, it was considered illogical to suggest that that the world is anything but flat. Now we have a different understanding.
Before Einstein's Relativity, anything outside Newtonian mechanics would be considered illogical. And before Quantum Mechanics, we struggled to explain the inconsistency between wave and particle theories.
So following your question, the "supernatural" today might become natural tomorrow.
Your implicit suggestion that God is equivalent to supernatural is interesting as well. As the Bible suggests, God made us, the natural, according to His image. In that sense, one could suggest that God is all natural. It is our own limitation today which makes it appear that anything we don't understand, we title, "supernatural".
Thanks for listening :)
2006-09-26 16:02:00
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answered by boyjackie 2
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Our logic and reason cannot explain God, our mind is limited to describe such energy. Our explanation about God in the positive manner only creates images that is not real. In my own opinion God can be explained negatively or by means of deduction. we have to remove and dissolve all knowledge, images, reasons, logic, principles and everything in our mind about God. In reality God is unknown to our being.
2006-09-26 16:42:56
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answered by ol's one 3
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god = existence [aka life, everything]
[cp the biblical name of god: I AM - ie, existing is the essence, the definition of god - wherever there is existingness [everywhere] there is god
if there were anything existing that was not god, god would not be existence, and god would not be all, and god would not be infinite - the infinite must include everything]
religions which imagine there is anything outside god are false
god is the invisible formless eternally unknowable something or nothing that created the world, and is also the world, or else god is finite, not all
there are only two possible options: existence and nonexistence
nonexistence cannot exist, by definition
therefore existence is necessary, is the only viable option
ie existence has to exist
2006-09-26 18:21:09
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answer #5
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answered by Anonymous
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You make the computer and you fully understand it but the computer cannot understand you because of its limited capacity.
So also god who created our brain is far more intelligent than us
therefore it is not possible for us to understand him. This is the reason why in Sanskrit language God is mentioned as
"Aprameya"(beyond the conception limits of man) "Achintya" (beyond the power of human thought, "Avyakta"(which cannot be explained etc
2006-09-26 19:08:25
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answered by Brahmanda 7
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this can be answered logically through the question of "who created God?" If God is the supreme, then he had to have created himself. Otherwise, if God had a creator than that creator would have precedence and power to create God. But since the word God refers to the supreme power, it is the logical conclusion that the supreme power had to have created itself, because in order for it to be supreme it must have no precedence.
2006-09-26 18:45:45
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answered by Anonymous
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I think it depends on your interpretation of God.
I don't believe in a giant robed man, with long flowing white locks and a beard, sitting on a throne on some cloud, looking down at all of us. Surprising how many people still cling to this idea.
I personally don't believe in god for the same reasons you don't. It's irrational. The concept of god and the afterlife just gives people an excuse to be apathetic in this life.
Humanity is coming closer to global self annihilation, and when I ask people how they feel about it, they say things like "God works in mysterious ways" or "It's all part of God's plan, he won't let us destroy ourselves". Do you see what's happening there, people are handing responsibility for their lives, and everyones Else's lives over to "God", who may or may not be there. The point is, at this stage in the game of human civilization, we can't place our faith in someone who has never shown his face, never once shown influence for the benefit of man, to save us.
However, if I was to believe in a God, and try to explain it rationally, I would go with the clockmaker god theory. This theory suggests that some form of intelligent being formed the universe in the beginning, and set the universe in motion, with the laws of physics as they are now. Once the universe was on it's way to what it is today, the clockmaker god left it to it's own devices, never to have involvement with it again.
But who knows. All I know is that we should stop believing in any type of god, and concentrate on solving problems with the belief that this is our only shot, that there is no afterlife, and nobody is watching over us. We should be 100% responsible for ourselves.
2006-09-26 16:07:27
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answered by whoholdsthepower 1
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God (and various other religious entities, events, etc...) can certainly be explained rationally. Quite a lot of arguments on those points throughout history. However, IMO, they are all based on the axioms one chooses to accept. I can prove ANYTHING if you let me pick the axioms.
2006-09-26 16:03:11
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answered by larry n 4
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There is no such thing as the super natural.
The fact that humans believe in gods can be explained through an understanding of psychology. That is, humans invent religions to convince themselves that death isnt really the end, to claim to have an explanation for the universe, etc.
2006-09-26 15:52:22
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answered by Phil S 5
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