Do you think it's wrong to condemn the majority for the actions of the minority?

Question

Do we condemn all businessmen for the actions of Ken Lay? Should all businessmen be rallying to condemn him?
Do we condemn all children for the actions of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? (Columbine School Massacre)
Should children have afterschool clubs to speak out against the massacre?
Do we condemn all christians for the actions of Timothy McVeigh? Have you appeared on tv to condemn McVeigh?

Then why do we automatically condemn all muslims?

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Answer 1

Right!
People need to realize that its not the liberals, or conserves, the christians or muslims. It is people being extreme people.

Answer 2

Do 'we' condemn all businessmen for the actions of Ken Lay?
=>Liberals often do. Businessmen and conservatives HAVE publicly condemned Ken Lay.

Do 'we' condemn all children for the actions of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold?
=>Liberals often blame all gun owners. Gun owners HAVE publicly condemned their actions.

Do 'we' condemn all Christians for the actions of Timothy McVeigh?
=> No. Liberals blame conservatives, and they often bring up McVeigh as a counter to people who talk about Muslim terrorists - as if that one example is equivalent to all Muslim terrorist acts. And, yes there have been plenty of conservatives and Christians on TV and radio who have condemned and ostracized McVeigh.

Then why do we automatically condemn all Muslims?
=> Who is doing this? No one I've heard. When I hear people (particularly Conservatives) bashing radical Islam terrorists, without fail they throw in the caveat that it's not ALL Muslims.

It isn't just public condemnation of terrorism that moderate Muslims need to start. They need to stop providing safe haven for terrorist groups.

Answer 3

Your reasoning is flawed, Moral808, to quote from you below:

“This struggle isn't about Iraq or Afghanistan or Iran and Syria. This is about changing hearts and minds…. Whereas, flattening the capitols of 1 or 2 countries could save the long drawn out struggle….. I am not looking for a new crusade, but logic tells me that a great defeat, and blame for mass destruction on the heads of these same leaders, called down on them by their own words, is the only way to change this torrent of mass lies and hysteria”.

Winning hearts and minds, right!

Answer 4

People do that because it's easier to blame the entire group, rather than putting the time into actually making distinctions between those who are guilty and those who are not. It takes less though, and thus less time and effort, to just label someone and blame the entire group.

Yes, that make the claim meaningless. But most people don't care.

Answer 5

If all of your examples of larger groups found it necessary to go on television and publicly condemn the immoral smaller group in order to survive peacefully, I suspect they would have the courage to do so.

Answer 6

Because no Muslim leader has spoken out that what the extremists are doing is wrong.

Every other group you listed has expressed outrage in those instances. Until Muslim leaders speak out against and/or apologize for what is happening they will remain lumped together in my mind.

Answer 7

It is not a matter of right or wrong. Those are just words. It is what you do that counts.

Answer 8

Of course it's wrong. As for your last point i believe Islamiphobia is the term.

Answer 9

First, yes all businessmen should rally to condemn criminal behavior based on investment authority.
Second, all school children do condemn the actions of Eric and Dylan.
Third, Timothy McVeigh may have claimed to be a Christian but never claimed to do what he did in the name of Christianity. And Christianity condemn Timothy's actions.


Yes, we must hold Muslims accountable to take a stand against the radical elements in its ranks.

If Americans went around the world bombing indescriminantly or targeting the most innocent of other nations, we would not be criticized in the media, we get that now, we would be openly and uniformly attacked by those nations. And so we should be.

So should Muslim nations be held accountable for their radical elements. Where the leaders are not helping U.S. or are actively covering for terrorist activity, we are justified in attacking that nation. Muslim faith as a whole should be the loudest anti-terrorist voice. The net result of the terrorist activity is to harm Islam more than anyone else.

This struggle isn't about Iraq or Afghanistan or Iran and Syria. This is about changing hearts and minds. I have my criticisms of the Bush administration but I believe he is doing the best job he knows how to do, and I believe this country was caught with its breeches down on 9/11. We didn't know how to react, because we simply didn't have the information we needed at the time to make informed decisions. This is the fog of war. We know this, we suspect that, and none of it is sure. I have to lay a large part of that at the feet of Bill Clinton because he cut the budget of the military and intelligence organizations to balance the federal budget while spending like drunken sailors on everything else. He said last Sunday that "he was aware of the threat of Bin Laden and that he tried and failed to kill Bin Laden but at least he tried." But the tragedy of 9/11 was exacerbated by the fact that we had nobody in intelligence with boots on the ground in the Middle East to listen to the political climate, to collect the kind of information that can't be retrieved with satellites and spy planes.

The real issue here is, what will make Muslims less of a threat to world peace and security? And the answer as far as I can see is to convince the mouthpieces and those that trust them, that prosecuting aggression against the west will not net them the results they seek. They have plainly spoken their agenda and it isn't to be taken lightly. They want to rule the world and they have multiple plans in operation to achieve just that.

One way is to immigrate to western states as in France and by sheer numbers take over the government. Another is by force as in Spain. Another is Bin Laden's way. He believed we would not respond in a long drawn out campaign because we have lost our American spirit. Bush told us atop the pile of rubble that it would require a long drawn out campaign to accomplish the necessary task to turn the tide of terror. It only took months for half the country to forget those words and the spirit in which they were received. Was Bin Laden right? Have we lost our spirit? http://judgeright.blogspot.com under the article titled "In Their Own Words" you'll find many links to video of their most popular political and religious leaders saying exactly that under the bold words.

Why do the media prosecute a war against the American reputation in the world, even our own media? They compare the actions of a few Americans to those of all terrorists and demand that we treat them according to edicts of the Geneva Convention when they are not held to the same standards. The reveal our secret operations and methods of interrogations which by the way do not even enter the same solar system as the jihadi's treatment of captured citizens let alone military. They compare our operations against aggressors with their targeting of innocent civilians.

Personally, I wish they would treat this as more of a conventional war. Again on my blog, you'll find that the TV networks are spewing murder and hatred 24/7 through music videos and movies and just about every religious program against the West. In Iran, Syria, Palestine, etc., over Palestinian Authority TV and al Jezeera. We have to blast our own TV signal into these regions to get the message of the West into the people because they are getting nothing else from their own networks. It is popular to hate the west, it is taught in the school curriculum in Iran, it is overwhelmingly accepted that the West is the Great Satan.

I am not looking for a new crusade, but logic tells me that a great defeat, and blame for mass destruction on the heads of these same leaders, called down on them by their own words, is the only way to change this torrent of mass lies and hysteria.

P*ssy footing around and blaming America for the damage done to innocents, as the media and half our politicians are doing is strengthening the enemy's resolve and encouraging their recruitment rates. Whereas, flattening the capitols of 1 or 2 countries could save the long drawn out struggle. Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These two explosions brought a long drawn out struggle to an abrupt end. Many lives were saved on balance. Had the struggle continued as it had for two more years, as much as a million troops from both sides would have been lost not to mention the innocents that were dieing from the carpet bombing campaigns. Just because we have the technology to surgically strike does not make surgical strikes the best option. Our reputation is suffering in the world anyway, what motivation do we have to continue a struggle with surgical strikes when a double standard is applied to our forces compared to our enemy's? What benefit to innocent lives if the struggle continues for another 5 or 20 years?

Why does the U.N. condemn U.S. tactics while the terrorists march merrily on with heinous acts against civilians? I don't like being seen as the big bully on the block either, but thanks to the U.N., the media, and half our politicians, that is our image. Sometimes people need to see a bully tactic to gain perspective on reality. Reality is, up till now, we have been the only morally influenced party in this conflict. If we know the location of al Jezeera and the Palestinian Authority's TV broadcasting operation, they should be powder by now. If we hear another dictator dictate morality to us, he should be in the very same condition. If we know Bin Laden or any other terrorist leader is within a 50 mile radius, we should dump a radio active firestorm on his cave, mountain, or city. See how long the attitude of blame America carries on, then. I guarantee that every country's leader will dump the bodies of these gnats called terrorists on our doorstep pleading with us to take our big stick and go home, because they will make sure we have nothing to worry about anymore. If a bully we are called, then a bully we should be, at least for a little while.

Answer 10

"Then why do we automatically condemn all muslims?"

Only idiots do that.